{*PCTeam*}[[ EVALUATION Thread ]]** PAM 164 N-series H maker [[CLOSED Poll]]

[ALE7575]

This thread is started to EVALUATE the rep watch:

PAM 164 N-series from H maker

Now, this replica is provisionally evaluated as a First Class replica.
Through this Evaluation we will decide either to keep this status or to be upgraded to Super rep.

Together to this replica we will evaluate in other thread the version of Noob Factory

And we will start another thread to compare and decide what is the best version of this watch: H maker or Noob.

PLEASE POST THE REASONS OF YOUR DECISSION

Your vote would be very much appreciated

EVALUATION: (*) FIRST CLASS REP (N-series Noob & H maker) (pending definitive evaluation as Super reps)
The PAM 164, released in 2004, try a return to the complex dials of the first Automatic 44mm models, like PAM 086 and 091, trend that was broken by the simplicity of the PAM 104.
The PAM 164 has a contrasted brushed case with polished bezel and has little numerals and dots instead of stick markers.
There are regular replicas fitted with Asian 21J in the cheap versions and with A7750 in the best ones and in the replicas from DSN. They all are quite good reps. But if you are looking for a good PAM automatic replica, it seems better go to the smart and simple PAM 104 or go to the more complex but beautiful and with character Pam 086 or 091.
The new replicas N-series from Noob and H maker are considered as First Class or even Super reps (pending of definitive evaluation)
Comments from Mr.RadioActive in RWI in comparison Gen-Noob-H maker:
“My reps wear exactly like my gen 164. Same rotor spin even. Numbers are too white on the Noob, and too gray on the H. If they could get it in between the two that would be perfect. Much happier with the cyclops on the H. Date font a little to thin. However all I got both the H and N and the H comes in first place. N is a distant second. Not in quality, but comparing price, strap, color, cyclops, the H wins. DW font on the N is better, and quality seems to be equalâ€
More comments and comparisons Gen-Noob-H maker here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/interested-in-buying-112145 more about Mr.RadioActive comments.
Pictorial review of Noob here:http://www.rwg.bz/board/index.php?showtopic=30483by Del
Other Noob here: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/just-got-my-105309 by Klockis
A PAM 164 H maker here:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/few-photos-164n-113806?p=1114871 by korneevy
In short, H maker seems to have better dial markers colour and lume sausage application (as usually), even the "white halo" in cyclops and crystal seem better too. But Noob CG is clearly superior. See these posts:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1115128&postcount=9
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showpost.php?p=1115514&postcount=10
This watch has lovers and detractors at the same time, but can be considered as a good candidate to a first PAM replica.
REPLICA links:
(*)http://www.puretime.co/product/pam164-n-11-noob-best-edition-a7750/
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12533-pa8590b-pam164-n-h-factory-super-lume-black-ss-lt-asian-6497
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12225-xfpn164-pam164-n-1-1-version-blk-lt-asian-7750-28800bph
(*)http://www.timesshop.net/12226-xfpn164-pam164-n-1-1-version-blk-lt-asian-7750-28800bph
(*)http://www.asian7750.com/cn/product_show.asp?P_id=2379&ti=
(*)http://www.marvellousreplica.com/products_detail.php?ProId=1557
(*)http://www.hontwatch.com/productdetails_2972
(*)http://www.hontwatch.com/productdetails_2977
(*)http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=352&products_id=9485
http://www.trustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_58&products_id=2438
(*)http://www.kingshowbox.com/goods.php?id=7161
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/new-born-164-99319
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k515/dsnwatches/Pam%2044mm%20Steel%20Automatic%20Luminor%20Marina%20%20watches/New%20Born%20164%20I/
GEN links:
http://www.paneraisource.com/watch_details/Contemporary_15
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vendome/auto44
http://www.panerai.com/s_page.xpd?id_lingua=2&id_sezione=16&id_prodotto=739&id_categoria=35

 

[kaniel]

First class.

CG doesn't look as good as other reps.
Font on dial is slightly thinner that it should be.

Sure it has some other flaws but for me those are important flaws they should improve to make it a super rep.

Jut my opinion.

 

[Mr. Pap]

I didn't see a lume shot but i am pretty sure the history repeats it self, H Factory lume has been always better.

I think this one is really good and as good as the noob one...

 

[ALE7575]

I like more the Noob, better case and CG, the H markers are darker and the Noob are lighter but H maker are more different IMO and little thiner. Noob seems more gen like IMO.
Overal quality is very good too.
Since I have classified Noob as Super rep bordering First Class
I will classify the H maker as First Class rep bordering the Super rep.

ALE

 

[korneevy]

I've had mine for a month, could not be happier. Great crystal and dial, decent cyclops and butter-like QR function. BTW, following some suggestions, I did swap the H maker CG for a Noob 029 one and it fits like a glove BTW.

 

[Bomba]

Anyone got better pics of the cyclops on this watch?

 

[thran]

I can take some in a bit

 

[PolonusTM]

I think both versions have some way-too-easy to spot problems. First class is the best they can get. But having H-factory with Noob's CG would be match made in heaven

 

[justlounging]

Voted!

Keep as first class rep..however if Noob can make available their CGs for this, just a swap and this H Fact would become a Super Rep in my books..

 

[Klockis]

Both the Noob and this H-fac have their own flaws on the 164.
Mix parts from both and the mash-up will be a super-rep but on their own out of the box I have to say that there are room for improvements.
Keep as first class.

 

[ALE7575]

Many thanks all members who are participating in this thread

Please more comments and votes

ALE

 

[ALE7575]

PLEASE guys !!!

WE NEED YOUR VOTE IN THIS POLL :bsmeter:

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[ALE7575]

Your VOTE please !!

PLEASE guys !!!

WE NEED YOUR VOTE IN THIS POLL :bsmeter:

ALE

 

[Rwolf]

Both the Noob and this H-fac have their own flaws on the 164.
Mix parts from both and the mash-up will be a super-rep but on their own out of the box I have to say that there are room for improvements.
Keep as first class.

agree! first class.

 

[co-axial]

Voted ALE mate

 

[ALE7575]

Evaluation PAM 164 N-series H maker is closed

Well, this Evaluation PAM 164 Poll is already closed and the result is:


PAM 164 N-series H maker

63% voted is a First Class replica
37% voted is a Super replica



I will include this result in PAM GUIDE

ALE