Why do reps have such poor WR capabilities??

[howardtnyc]

I've had several reps wr tested and then swam with them with no probs including ap diver and Pam 243

I don't disagree that it's a crapshoot but you can test the unit you buy to see what you rolled before risking it in the water

Concern that a watch can't go to 2000m is, pardon me, absurd. At that depth, the pressure would kill you, I don't think you'd be worried about whether your watch was still ticking

Any kind of non commercial non militiary Scuba diving tops out around 150 ft which is less than 100m



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[cybee]

Generally a rep does well to look like it's gen counterpart, not behave like it. Let's not drive the prices up any more than we have to.

 

[santre22]

Funny thread to read! I can tell you about the Rolex SDDS with the 2 piece caseback TI/SS (400$ rep) I was curious about the WR and and had it tested in a 100 bar roxer tank without dial and movement. At 60 bar (600 m) it was no leakage and i desided to stop building pressure there to avoid caseback failure cause im a little coward... LOL
And also i have tested a V2 ploprof to 200 m in a posseidon tester with no problem.

Rolex had new gaskets but the Omega was from factory and used for 6 month before tested.

Replica divers watch high grade = Very good WR will for sure fill all needs to a non proffesional diver.
Low grade diver reps = Some times good WR or aftrer mod good WR.
Chronos and dress up watches and others= Fair to bad WR will work fine if your work at bank office not is located in a flooded sewer.


But as always you can get a expensive "Lemon" watch that is not WR as you can have problems with gen watches to.

 

[ajs914]

In the end, you just need to research your particular rep for diving/swimming purposes.

People always talk about pressure testers at the mall jeweler. I've never ever seen those. Are they common?

 

[Q5?]

In the end, you just need to research your particular rep for diving/swimming purposes.

People always talk about pressure testers at the mall jeweler. I've never ever seen those. Are they common?

I have never seen one at a mall in my County......

 

[45acp]

Many Fast-Fix, or similar mall jewelry stores, offer in shop dry pressure testing.

 

[Bardamu]

Water Resistance Guide
No Rating - 30m/99ft Does not allow contact with water
30m/99ft - 50m/165ft Allows for contact with water such as washing hands and rain
50m/165ft - 100m/330ft Allows for light poolside swimming
100m/330ft - 200m/660ft Allows for swimming, snorkeling and showering (do not expose to hot water)
200m/660ft - 500m/1650ft Allows for impact water sports such as board diving and scuba diving
500m/1650ft + Appropriate for serious deep water diving.

Sorry, but I don't agree at all with this water resistance guide. This is the kind of story coming from the brands, because they don't want to take any risk, and avoid complains from consumers. But IMHO it's ridiculous to say that a watch has to be at least 100 m water resistant to allow you to swim with it.

The question is to know if watches are tested one by one by factory at the end of assembly. If your watch has actually been tested and passed the test for 30 m, then you can be fully confident and swim with it (I'm speaking of swimming, not scuba-diving).

Regarding replicas, as said by others, tolerance during the production process in not the same than with the gens. But please, before asking "why water resistance is so bad with replicas ?" can you explain how your built this conclusion ? How many replicas samples did you test ? What was the result ? How many failed, with what difference from the gen water resistance ?

I wonder where you got this information : "water resistance with reps is very bad".

One more thing : I have reps sold as "water resistant" by TD. I didn't test them with a watchsmith, but I use to swim with them. No problem ! I agree that I choose to take the risk, and I was lucky with the result.

Paul

 

[eawtan]

Guess many folks are lucky , all the reps I got leaked like crazy, case gaskets missing, crowns leaky , crystal pops under pressure .

Seriously are the rep manufacturer's cutting cost some much that it is not possible to even include rubber gaskets ? If regular $150 watch companies include gaskets , have a certain quality level (and also water resist) , are the reps reducing cost so much in order to make huge profits (don't average reps cost >$150 ?? ) ?

 

[mydnytrydr]

Like I said in my post, I do understand the lack of WR from the factory BUT I do not understand why EVEN AFTER A PROPER SERVICING from a watch smith, who should replace gaskets and seals to make the watch capable to withstand pressure to depth, the rep still is averaging around 50m-70m instead of >100m.

To put things into further perspective, take a look at the micro brands such as Helson, Deep Blue, Boschett, Zenton, etc... These micro brands are selling watches averaging $400-$700.

The micro brands DO achieve amazing build quality, functionality, and proper pressure tested WR for slightly more $ than the reps. Just take a look at the offerings from Helson, Deep Blue, Zenton, Boschett, etc... These companies offer dive watches which ARE capable of 2000m ratings and have documented proof of people taking their respective watches on dives, some at serious depths (professional divers). From what I have read and understand, some of these companies are using a Chinese Vicker case although there are others using different ones. Regardless, the assembly IS in China.

I, for one, would pay more for a rep that was AT LEAST capable of swimming comfortably with and not have to worry about the structural integrity of the watch. It does seem pointless to buy a "diver's" watch and not be at least capable to swim with it without fear of water damage.

BTW, take a look at this depth chart to understand what depth rating means in a real world setting.

Interpretation of the Depth Ratings

Although a watch may be rated 30m/99ft water resistant, it does NOT mean that the watch can be immersed to that depth. The depth rating posted by the manufacturer is theoretical in nature and can only be achieved in a perfectly optimum environment of a laboratory - which is impossible to replicate in real life.

Water Resistance Guide
No Rating - 30m/99ft Does not allow contact with water
30m/99ft - 50m/165ft Allows for contact with water such as washing hands and rain
50m/165ft - 100m/330ft Allows for light poolside swimming
100m/330ft - 200m/660ft Allows for swimming, snorkeling and showering (do not expose to hot water)
200m/660ft - 500m/1650ft Allows for impact water sports such as board diving and scuba diving
500m/1650ft + Appropriate for serious deep water diving.

Well, unless you're a diver, why would you need water resistence more than 20 feet .... and if you are a diver, don't "f" around with a rep, that have inferior parts, substandard build quality (not all, but I'm just sayin') and were never engineered to be anything more than an enjoyable toy? :thinking:

 

[ajs914]

You want more than a 20 foot rating because jumping in a pool, for example, might exert a lot more pressure than water at a depth of 20 feet.

Seriously are the rep manufacturer's cutting cost some much that it is not possible to even include rubber gaskets ? If regular $150 watch companies include gaskets , have a certain quality level (and also water resist) , are the reps reducing cost so much in order to make huge profits (don't average reps cost >$150 ?? ) ?

Think about who is assembling these and whether they give a shit about a gasket or whether their boss cares about a gasket. I'm sure the boss wants the highest number of watches made per hour. Since the dial doesn't say Noob Factory there is no name or reputation to protect and there is no warranty to provide. Unfortunately, that is the reality of the situation.

 

[eawtan]

Think about who is assembling these and whether they give a shit about a gasket or whether their boss cares about a gasket. I'm sure the boss wants the highest number of watches made per hour. Since the dial doesn't say Noob Factory there is no name or reputation to protect and there is no warranty to provide. Unfortunately, that is the reality of the situation.

That is really the sad reality here.
So one just pays the 200 (or more) for a potential piece of junk that without any quality/ QC ...

 

[Elrubito]

That is really the sad reality here.
So one just pays the 200 (or more) for a potential piece of junk that without any quality/ QC ...

Yup,


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[Q5?]

That is really the sad reality here.
So one just pays the 200 (or more) for a potential piece of junk that without any quality/ QC ...

Nothing new here. That is part of the game..........

 

[trailboss99]

Funny thread to read! I can tell you about the Rolex SDDS with the 2 piece caseback TI/SS (400$ rep) I was curious about the WR and and had it tested in a 100 bar roxer tank without dial and movement. At 60 bar (600 m) it was no leakage and i desided to stop building pressure there to avoid caseback failure cause im a little coward... LOL
And also i have tested a V2 ploprof to 200 m in a posseidon tester with no problem.

Rolex had new gaskets but the Omega was from factory and used for 6 month before tested.

Replica divers watch high grade = Very good WR will for sure fill all needs to a non proffesional diver.
Low grade diver reps = Some times good WR or aftrer mod good WR.
Chronos and dress up watches and others= Fair to bad WR will work fine if your work at bank office not is located in a flooded sewer.


But as always you can get a expensive "Lemon" watch that is not WR as you can have problems with gen watches to.

You have access to a 100 bar tank and a Posseidon? You lucky bugger!

Guess many folks are lucky , all the reps I got leaked like crazy, case gaskets missing, crowns leaky , crystal pops under pressure .

Seriously are the rep manufacturer's cutting cost some much that it is not possible to even include rubber gaskets ? If regular $150 watch companies include gaskets , have a certain quality level (and also water resist) , are the reps reducing cost so much in order to make huge profits (don't average reps cost >$150 ?? ) ?

"all the reps" now? I thought it was one Pam? Mate, you just don't get it do you? Of cause there is a big profit margin, same as any illegal goods, what's the margin on coke?

That is really the sad reality here.
So one just pays the 200 (or more) for a potential piece of junk that without any quality/ QC ...

I think you need to stick to gens buddy, seriously you are never going to be happy with reps.

 

[eawtan]

"all the reps" now? I thought it was one Pam? Mate, you just don't get it do you?

The PAM was the most recent. I've had several reps picked up from the streets of certain asian countries over the years, oldest is ~20yrs , some died some are still ticking ...

 

[cybee]

That is really the sad reality here.
So one just pays the 200 (or more) for a potential piece of junk that without any quality/ QC ...

Well you do have some options here. You can pay $2,500-3000 for this piece of junk:

...or pay $200 or more for this piece of junk, read up a little and then do your own QC. The choice is yours

Please post a pic of your gen when you receive it

 

[trailboss99]

Damn, they need to work on the bezel numerals on those don't they?

 

[cybee]

Damn, they need to work on the bezel numerals on those don't they?

Haha yep, but other than that

 

[phillycheez]

Rep buyers... Having the same standards as .. Gen buyers...

That attitude has really became the norm this passed year. Kinda sad really. It's also driven up prices, excluding modded watches (those were always expensive).

 

[levelmanroger]

But 1:1 means EXACT.
I am shocked -- SHOCKED!! -- to learn that anonymous underground figures who steal patented and copywrited designs and sell them illegally would lie.
SHOCKED!!!
I'm going to file a complaint (about this nameless, faceless dealer without a physical location) to the international commerce and Internet honesty board. That'll teach these dealers to get in line.



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