Asian movements 2836, 2836-2, ETA 2836

[joeyjojojnr]

Apologies If this has been asked before but I've searched the forum for the past few days (including the movement tutorials) and even googled it but cannot find a definitive answer.

are the Asian movement terms, 2836, 2836-2, ETA 2836, ETA 2836-2 all mean the same movement?
I've come across these terms all over this forum and on dealer websites and it's causing me a bit of confusion (or am I being thick?)

Ive seen these 2 watches which I'm interested in purchasing:

http://v.yupoo.com/photos/trevorwatch/albums/2201512/

http://www.timesshop.net/6426-rwi-promotionro1187-rolex-submariner-black-dial-ceramic-bezel-ss-ss-asian-copy-2836

Both with 2836 movements but Trevor's is an Asian ETA 2836 and Timesshop an Asian copy 2836. Obviously if the ETA 2836 is the better one I'm more inclined to go for that one price-wise.

If they are different then I would very much appreciate a brief description of each in order of performance/price.

Thanks in advance.

 

[dustindu4]

the ETA ones are sometimes used and/or put together with a mixture of asian parts. Search for a post that Smidsy did.

I buy swiss when I can just because they are more easily repairable with off the shelf ETA parts.

 

[txrob779]

Hello and welcome. I 'll try and help you out here...back in the day, the ETA automatic movement was THE swiss made movement was in just aut ecvery decent rep out there. In recent times the Swatch group said that they were scaling back on movements to supplie certian makers watches, therefor creating a shortage on sorts. The chinese started cloning the ETA 's...and we reffer to them as a2836 or whatever model movement it is...hence the asian clone. The across the board kinda thinking is, because several several of us have paid for swiss only to get a clone, or tne swiss eta was a older, hodgepodge fixed mixed hybrid of sorts...99% out ot 100 you will see that movement referred to as a clone or asian clone of a 28xx...so one must have confirmation to justify the up-charge....hope this helps

 

[joeyjojojnr]

Ok, thanks guys. Just had a browse at Smidsy's Swiss ETA teardown thread. And read about the Swatch ETA history the other day.

So basically An Asian ETA 2836 is a Swiss clone with some Asian parts and some old Swiss parts? And an Asian copy 2836 is a new(ish) Swiss clone with all Asian parts?

 

[ALE7575]

Ok, thanks guys. Just had a browse at Smidsy's Swiss ETA teardown thread. And read about the Swatch ETA history the other day.

So basically An Asian ETA 2836 is a Swiss clone with some Asian parts and some old Swiss parts? And an Asian copy 2836 is a new(ish) Swiss clone with all Asian parts?

IMHO
-Asian ETA 2836
-Asian copy 2836
-Asian clone 2836
-Asian clone ETA 2836
-A 2836
Are all the same!! Clone movements made in China copying the ETA 2836

The problem is when you have in a copy "Swiss ETA 2836" or "ETA 2836" without "A" or "Asian". It should be a real Swiss ETA but we cannot know it.
Read:

"Swiss" ETA / Asian Superclones / Asian Clones – What’s the best choice? (Sticky)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swiss-eta-asian-superclones-asian-87509​

ALE

 

[cybee]

The #1 Definitive Rule with all movements in reps is there is no definitive rule. I read that teardown from another member and don't completely agree with it but as Ale says above, "we cannot know it."

 

[ajs914]

The convention wisdom, AFAICT, is to save your money and buy the A2836 now. and don't pay extra for the "swiss 2836".

In the future, if you find that you love your watch and the A2836 is unrepairable then you can always install a real swiss 2836 that you source from a watch supply reseller.

BTW, there are lots of threads on this topic:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swiss-eta-asian-87509

 

[joeyjojojnr]

IMHO
-Asian ETA 2836
-Asian copy 2836
-Asian clone 2836
-Asian clone ETA 2836
-A 2836
Are all the same!! Clone movements made in China copying the ETA 2836

ALE

That's really all I needed to know, I've seen so many terms that I was thinking there were differences.

The problem is when you have in a copy "Swiss ETA 2836" or "ETA 2836" without "A" or "Asian". It should be a real Swiss ETA but we cannot know it.
Read:

"Swiss" ETA / Asian Superclones / Asian Clones – What’s the best choice? (Sticky)
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swiss-eta-asian-superclones-asian-87509​

ALE

I understand that we cannot know exactly whats inside the case until we buy it and open it up, as its not a regulated industry. I just wanted to know that the different terms meant the same thing.

Thanks.

The convention wisdom, AFAICT, is to save your money and buy the A2836 now. and don't pay extra for the "swiss 2836".

In the future, if you find that you love your watch and the A2836 is unrepairable then you can always install a real swiss 2836 that you source from a watch supply reseller.

BTW, there are lots of threads on this topic:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/swiss-eta-asian-87509

Ok, thanks.

Just to make it clear though, I wasn't asking the differences between a Swiss movement and an Asian movement as like you said, there are many threads dealing with that.

I'm only looking to purchase an Asian movement but there are several terms describing what I have now found out to be (theoretically) the same movement.

 

[ALE7575]

The #1 Definitive Rule with all movements in reps is there is no definitive rule. I read that teardown from another member and don't completely agree with it but as Ale says above, "we cannot know it."

+1 completely

 

[grejyedi]

In the future, if you find that you love your watch and the A2836 is unrepairable then you can always install a real swiss 2836 that you source from a watch supply reseller.

Or you can get a genuine asian clone from Offrie or Cousins

 

[dakwan]

Or you can get a genuine asian clone from Offrie or Cousins

What is a genuine asian clone? The same movt rite?