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Pure time fraud!
- Thread starter bluechips4
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THIS IS NOT ABOUT PURETIME
FWIW I have received promises of items being in stock and ready to ship from a range of dealers prior to sending funds, only to be told there is not only no stock, but none available/ no longer being made and to choose something else.
I believe everyone has stories of this nature to tell, where dealers conduct themselves in this manner.
Those who know me, would know I am a very small-time buyer of watches (only 8), but have bought more than 60 pens from a dozen or so dealers/factories in the past 12 months.
In both ventures I started out searching for the cheapest price etc. but was soon largely cured of that, not because it wasn't successful but because my tastes became more refined. The best pens I have came from a Chinese factory directly. The best watch came "through" timeshops of all places, but not without considerable struggle to do with 'real' stockholdings.
I now assume no dealer has stock of anything unless it is like toro bravo's ultra limited edition AP Montauk Highway or similar. This may be overly cynical, but it lowers expectations and helps me breathe while sending and receiving no fewer than 30 emails JUST to get the correct two pens from a certain dealer. (which I still don't have, since ordering in early November) .... no QC pics of course though there are watches that cost less than $70 that I have received QC pics of.
It may not always be "hit and miss" but if you want to avoid grief of this nature, get another hobby. Even the gen world isn't immune to major problems ... just yesterday I was in a boutique watch shop in Melbourne where a customer who claimed to be a lawyer was demanding a refund for a watch he bought for his father - his reason was that his father has a skin condition which resulted in a reaction with the watch's strap, THEREFORE the product was not 'fit for service' - he was rather animated about what action he intended to take if he didn't get satisfaction, but the owner simply said a refund was never going to happen on that basis but he offered to replace the strap with anything up to the full rrp value of the original. I left before hearing more.
It's hard enough to communicate clearly when we share the same first-language. When at Uni I worked part time as a technical interpreter for international students - I once had to explain the following:
"Calculate the moment of deflection of the beam in cantilever where the length is X and and the load is Y applied at point Z. Be cognisant that the ambient conditions will affect performance of the base materials used in the beam's construction i.e. steel reinforced concrete of ABC formulation ...... seriously, I am a native English-speaker, trained in engineering & architecture and all I could say was "I'm sorry, what?"
imagine the challenges faced when trying to ensure understanding when a common language is not the case
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyuS8GcENfQ"]Fawlty Towers - We are Orelly Men - YouTube[/ame]
BTW I am married, so clearly all the grief I experience is clearly my fault alone.
FWIW I have received promises of items being in stock and ready to ship from a range of dealers prior to sending funds, only to be told there is not only no stock, but none available/ no longer being made and to choose something else.
I believe everyone has stories of this nature to tell, where dealers conduct themselves in this manner.
Those who know me, would know I am a very small-time buyer of watches (only 8), but have bought more than 60 pens from a dozen or so dealers/factories in the past 12 months.
In both ventures I started out searching for the cheapest price etc. but was soon largely cured of that, not because it wasn't successful but because my tastes became more refined. The best pens I have came from a Chinese factory directly. The best watch came "through" timeshops of all places, but not without considerable struggle to do with 'real' stockholdings.
I now assume no dealer has stock of anything unless it is like toro bravo's ultra limited edition AP Montauk Highway or similar. This may be overly cynical, but it lowers expectations and helps me breathe while sending and receiving no fewer than 30 emails JUST to get the correct two pens from a certain dealer. (which I still don't have, since ordering in early November) .... no QC pics of course though there are watches that cost less than $70 that I have received QC pics of.
It may not always be "hit and miss" but if you want to avoid grief of this nature, get another hobby. Even the gen world isn't immune to major problems ... just yesterday I was in a boutique watch shop in Melbourne where a customer who claimed to be a lawyer was demanding a refund for a watch he bought for his father - his reason was that his father has a skin condition which resulted in a reaction with the watch's strap, THEREFORE the product was not 'fit for service' - he was rather animated about what action he intended to take if he didn't get satisfaction, but the owner simply said a refund was never going to happen on that basis but he offered to replace the strap with anything up to the full rrp value of the original. I left before hearing more.
It's hard enough to communicate clearly when we share the same first-language. When at Uni I worked part time as a technical interpreter for international students - I once had to explain the following:
"Calculate the moment of deflection of the beam in cantilever where the length is X and and the load is Y applied at point Z. Be cognisant that the ambient conditions will affect performance of the base materials used in the beam's construction i.e. steel reinforced concrete of ABC formulation ...... seriously, I am a native English-speaker, trained in engineering & architecture and all I could say was "I'm sorry, what?"
imagine the challenges faced when trying to ensure understanding when a common language is not the case
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyuS8GcENfQ"]Fawlty Towers - We are Orelly Men - YouTube[/ame]
BTW I am married, so clearly all the grief I experience is clearly my fault alone.
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What made you think they did? The only dealer who kept reasonable amounts of stock was Robert as he was a wholesaler, what he advertised he had in stack. Narikaa keeps limited stock in the UK and if he posts that he has it he does. Same with WBK but the rest of them get it as and when required from the GZ or SZ markets. You can't keep stock of 1000+ different watches not just because of cost but because of the risk of being raided and losing the lot.
At the most dealers have the basics on hand, some noob subs, DSSDs, SMPs and a few Pams all the rest is bought in on demand. This ain't Wal Mart guys and you need to remember that even in China this is an illegal game they play.
Not actually fraud yet, I am sure you will get your money back some time. They have been out of stock of that watch for ages. I asked them several times over a few months if that watch was in stock. The girl on the chat said yes but suggested I email sales at puretime and they said, 'sorry no'. (What is fraud is the pretence of warranty or getting a watch serviced if you pay for it but this ain't that).
I have over a dozen reps and I normally deal with Hont. I tried to use Pure this time to change things up.
To answer some questions, firstly, If you ask PT if they have a product available, they say yes, then you send money and in reality they don't have the product, that is fraud. I am aware of Chinese new years and I have realistic expectations about how it affects the rep game.
I did contact Angus, after a couple of days he got back to me and said he has refunded my money to my CC, it is still not back on my card.
Overall I am not happy with the service PT has rendered.
To answer some questions, firstly, If you ask PT if they have a product available, they say yes, then you send money and in reality they don't have the product, that is fraud. I am aware of Chinese new years and I have realistic expectations about how it affects the rep game.
I did contact Angus, after a couple of days he got back to me and said he has refunded my money to my CC, it is still not back on my card.
Overall I am not happy with the service PT has rendered.
I'm very disappointed about puretime. First they confirm my order and then they cancel it without any reason.
Cancellation: Order 212-83-8821
CCNow has received a request to cancel order number 212-83-8821,
which was previously sent to you. Since the order has not yet
been shipped, we have cancelled the order as requested.
The customer's paypal account was issued a refund.
Reason for cancellation: Product not allowed by CCNow
Please do not ship order number 212-83-8821.
Thank you for ordering from CCNow and Angus Bridal Wedding Dresses.
Regards,
- CCNow Client Services
Lost 100 bugs on this order because of euro->usd / usd->euro exchange from paypal. Very bad, will order never again cause it's scam. sorry.:angry:
Cancellation: Order 212-83-8821
CCNow has received a request to cancel order number 212-83-8821,
which was previously sent to you. Since the order has not yet
been shipped, we have cancelled the order as requested.
The customer's paypal account was issued a refund.
Reason for cancellation: Product not allowed by CCNow
Please do not ship order number 212-83-8821.
Thank you for ordering from CCNow and Angus Bridal Wedding Dresses.
Regards,
- CCNow Client Services
Lost 100 bugs on this order because of euro->usd / usd->euro exchange from paypal. Very bad, will order never again cause it's scam. sorry.:angry:
Some things i don't understand....if you had used Hont for 12 reps and was happy..then WHY use anyone else to "change things up"?
You also say "if you ask PT if they have a product available, they say yes" did YOU ask if they had stock?? I have never been able to find "they".. as in "they: said the movie was good...who is "they"? Screw "they" did YOU ask if stock was good?
You are aware of CNY and had realistic expectations about how it affects the rep game....what were those expectations and how did it not work out since it just ended YESTERDAY?!?!
IN your first post on 2-5-12 you stated TWICE that Angus has not contacted you in any way..then in your last post 2-7-12 you said Angus DID get back in touch to you after a couple days and said he refunded your CC but nothing has showed up..from 2-5 when you had heard NOTHING from them till 2-7 where he got back to you after a couple days and promised you a refund...are you sure you have your story straight here???
You say you are not a noob but i have seen noobs act better than this!! Sit back and ponder how calling Angus a fraud with your story all over the place is going to get him to do anything faster for you. Grow up and settle down...dude it's only a fake watch!!
Look, I know PT has had some issuses and I not defending the in stock BS either, but the guy has beed refunding people this is Not fraud. WTF??
I got my order refunded today too but the shipment still shows it in transit. No idea what's going on. Sucks.
It's not PT's fault, if you took the time to read the email from CCnow, dzoe... It's the card processing company, as it's obvious that someone reported PT to them. Look at the reason WHY as stated in the mail you posted:
Product not allowed by CCnow.
Use your head here, folks; someone got pissed at PT and reported them, which really pisses me off because now I'm having to search for another supercase Sub for the same price point.
Product not allowed by CCnow.
Use your head here, folks; someone got pissed at PT and reported them, which really pisses me off because now I'm having to search for another supercase Sub for the same price point.
Fraud defined.
adjective.
Obtained, done by, or involving deception especially criminal deception.
They = Pure time live chat and Pure time sales email address.
I did ask do you have this watch in stock to which "They" answered yes, then collected my money, proceeded to email me a notification that the watch is not available, akin to deception. Fraud is a very appropriate word for this action, despite whatever your various opinions maybe regarding my verbiage.
adjective.
Obtained, done by, or involving deception especially criminal deception.
They = Pure time live chat and Pure time sales email address.
I did ask do you have this watch in stock to which "They" answered yes, then collected my money, proceeded to email me a notification that the watch is not available, akin to deception. Fraud is a very appropriate word for this action, despite whatever your various opinions maybe regarding my verbiage.
Whoah......deap breath dude. It's not like that!
You're very new here. Don't dive in without knowing the facts!
PT is a trusted and reputable dealer here. There are good reasons for the problems of late, not that we know of them yet, but Angus will come good.
Wash your mouth out with soap.
You got a refund, no fraud. Fraud would be to take your funds by tricking you, those who commit fraud don't give refunds dopey.
Now saying you have an item in stock when you don't and then taking the funds is not good business, but its really not fraud either. As pointed out most dealers do not carry stock, they take your order and then run and get it, if they can't get it you wait and wait and wait, or they offer sometimes even force you to make another choice with no refund available as an option (nows theres a case for fraud) cause they already have your funds.
I can't understand why your so pissed over a rep watch, get over yourself man.
Now saying you have an item in stock when you don't and then taking the funds is not good business, but its really not fraud either. As pointed out most dealers do not carry stock, they take your order and then run and get it, if they can't get it you wait and wait and wait, or they offer sometimes even force you to make another choice with no refund available as an option (nows theres a case for fraud) cause they already have your funds.
I can't understand why your so pissed over a rep watch, get over yourself man.