If you go to TRF and look at the first page of the WRUW thread, post no. 17, the gentleman is wearing his sub "beater". It certainly looks like a Noob to me, crown size, CG's, rehaut engraving, pearl, bezel, date, date window, magnification. None of the "expert" members have caught it so far. I frankly don't think it wise to point it out to them. Amazing