Looking for a BR03 Heritage...

[nr73]

Hi

I'm on the lookout for a BR03 heritage, specifically in stainless with the embossed tan leather strap as shown here

http://www.watcheden.net/bell-ross-...th-black-dial-leather-strap-i-111562-p-1.html

So far I've only been able to locate this specific model on WatchEden. I know they are a TD but has anyone any opinions on them? Is this watch available anywhere else?

The one flaw I can see on the photos is the misspelt 'miliary' instead of military on the case back. Also I am not bothered about a chrono, I'd prefer a simple Asian 2824 rather than a quartz.

Any suggestions welcome!

 

[Member X]

Any of the Trusted Dealers can get a 21j auto non-chrono version that looks great

 

[Pyer]

Well every TD can get you the watch if you ask them . If you ask about the flaws , everything is pretty wrong about that watch :

- This a fantasy , BR don't make a steel version of the BR03-94 Heritage (Only Mat PVD).
- Minutes Stick are "Sand color" instead of Black
- Bell&Ross on dial is too thick .
- "BR03-94" is to thick and too big
- Lume Color is wrong ( Should be more sand )
- Round Edges for the "2" of the"12" numeral
- Subdials are defined in the gen and in rep numerals are incorrect (
- Case is made in one piece "no bezel"
- 60 and 24 instead of 30 and 60 for the Subdials numerals
- Deep caseback engraving on the gen
- No Real caseback screws on the gen ( for BR03 model ) so ... No fake ones lol On the gen ... (They keep the BR01 Style caseback and not the BR03 with no screw )
- Wrong Date font ( should be "sand on black" instead of "Black on white" ) + wrong inclination
- End of minute hand should be plain and not with a hole
-Longer and thinner minute hand + more lume on it .
-HEX screw on the lugs on the gen and not flat screws
-Lugs shape is wrong and too short .
- Inverted "DO NOT UNSCREW" with the screw .
-Wrong spacing and wrong inscription on the back .
-Wrong Hands for subdials


Just compare the pics with the gen One and you will see everything .

The non chrono have the same flaws except that you can get it also in PVD ( But the non chrono have a Big mistake as it use also the "BR03-94" On dial (And BRXX-94 Models are always chronos )

Regards ,

Pyer

 

[Dodgy]

Like this one?

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/b-r-46mm-heritage-87885

 

[Pyer]

Like this one?

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/b-r-46mm-heritage-87885

This one is a BR01 so 46mm pretty big .

 

[nr73]

Thanks for the (extensive) list of flaws! I like this combination enough to accept a certain number of flaws, and most of those are things that I could live with (although the misspelt 'miliary' bugs me). Is the PVD heritage more accurate? Because I came across a thread yesterday where someone took a file to his PVD BR rep and weathered it. I actually really liked it.

 

[Pyer]

Thanks for the (extensive) list of flaws! I like this combination enough to accept a certain number of flaws, and most of those are things that I could live with (although the misspelt 'miliary' bugs me). Is the PVD heritage more accurate? Because I came across a thread yesterday where someone took a file to his PVD BR rep and weathered it. I actually really liked it.

If you like it , go for it . You should not care about the accuracy . The PVD version seems to me nice . But the flaws still the same except that now the color of the case is accurate .

 

[nr73]

With these quartz BR03 reps having no caseback screws, and a square caseback, how do you remove it to change the battery?

 

[Member X]

You have to unscrew the 4 screws from the face plate and then remove it, then remove the screw in the back and the stem, then drop the movement and dial out from the front.

I think Wiz has done a tutorial somewhere?

If you get a non-chrono automatic movement you will probably never have to open it

 

[Pyer]

You have to unscrew the 4 screws from the face plate and then remove it, then remove the screw in the back and the stem, then drop the movement and dial out from the front.

I think Wiz has done a tutorial somewhere?

If you get a non-chrono automatic movement you will probably never have to open it

This exactly what i was looking for , and ... voilà !
Wiz Tutorial : http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/...n-bell-ross-br01-52117?t=52117&highlight=ross

 

[nr73]

Ok here's the deal. I really want a stainless BR03 (not bothered about chrono or quartz) and that heritage strap combo. Do I buy an auto BR03 in stainless (which seem to be much more accurate reps) and try to source the heritage strap somehow, or do I buy the quartz chrono rep with the strap already and put up with it being a slightly poor rep and a tick tock quartz? Or do I buy one of each then try and sell the quartz & unwanted leather/rubber strap afterwards?

 

[Pyer]

You can also first try to contact Dealers and see what they can do four you This cost nothing

Or Mary @ watchinternational has the watch in non-chrono shipped @75usd http://www.replica-watches-guide.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17469

Then you can try picking one BR03-XX more accurate that you like and install the strap from the other (Then keep the watch as part for maybe crown , tubes hands movement and so on

 

[nr73]

Thanks for putting me on to that site pyer. I emailed Mary at watch international and she can supply the heritage strap for $28 so I can then just buy a stainless BR03 of my choice and pair them up

 

[Pyer]

You are Welcome You can also ask her about the BR03 Here are some views of the SS BR03 that puretime is offering :

BR 03-92 Black Dial SS (Updated)

Size: 42mm
Functions: hours, minutes, seconds, date
Case: 316L Stainless Steel
Crystal: scratch-proof sapphire with AR coating
Dial: Black dial with white numeral markers
Clasp: tang buckle / nylon strap
Water resistance: >20 Meters

Total Price with Asian 2813 (A21j) of 158$ (and you can have the choice of having rubber/leather/nylon strap )

158$ +50$ to have Asian ETA Clone 2836
158$ +120$ to have Swiss ETA 2836

You can also ask mary and send her the pics for puretime , she will maybe have it at better prices .

(In this version i suspect the DG2813 (21600bph) to be in reality a DG4813 (28800bph) This was the case in my BR02 when i ordered it . ( I do have now the clone version )

Best regards ,

Pyer

 

[nr73]

I emailed her earlier about the BR03 - this is the reply I got:

"The BR03-92 in stainless steel is in stock, the price is $145 with 4813 movement."

Is that movement any good or is it a waste of time??

 

[Pyer]

The DG4813 is modified DG2813 (a chinese ebauche of the Miyota 8215 (jap movt) ) modified to run at 28800bph (so it means the second hand is smoother than classical 21600bph)

It's pretty reliable , and if you have a problem with it , a new one cost around 20-25 usd ...
Go for it ! those 21j are workhorses !

BTW : Second hand will be smoother but not smooth as an ETA . (But really that should not bother you )

BTW² : Some DG4813 are also running @ 21600bph ... but i think in most replica advertised with that movement you will get a 21600bph movt .

I Hope it helped you a little !

 

[nr73]

Pyer you've been a great help, thank you!

Looks like I've got some ordering to do

 

[DFYFZX]

You are Welcome You can also ask her about the BR03 Here are some views of the SS BR03 that puretime is offering :

BR 03-92 Black Dial SS (Updated)

Size: 42mm
Functions: hours, minutes, seconds, date
Case: 316L Stainless Steel
Crystal: scratch-proof sapphire with AR coating
Dial: Black dial with white numeral markers
Clasp: tang buckle / nylon strap
Water resistance: >20 Meters

Total Price with Asian 2813 (A21j) of 158$ (and you can have the choice of having rubber/leather/nylon strap )

158$ +50$ to have Asian ETA Clone 2836
158$ +120$ to have Swiss ETA 2836

You can also ask mary and send her the pics for puretime , she will maybe have it at better prices .

(In this version i suspect the DG2813 (21600bph) to be in reality a DG4813 (28800bph) This was the case in my BR02 when i ordered it . ( I do have now the clone version )

Best regards ,

Pyer

Two questions...

1) Is there ANY reason to upgrade to the $120 Swiss movement or is the $50 upgraded Asian 2836 clone movement functionally the same? Same reliability? I'm assuming the Asian 2836 is 28800bph?

2) Is this about as high quality a clone as exists? Spelling looks to be correct..

I'm looking for a simple, high quality, reliable 03-92 with automatic movement. I'm willing to pay more for better performance but I don't like to waste money either. This looks to be the best option I've seen in my two day 03-92 clone search. Any reason(s) to keep looking?

Thanks for all the excellent information already provided, Pyer:maty:

 

[Pyer]

Hi DFYFZX ! Well ... Now I don't see the point paying so much for a "so-called" swiss ... Because you will never be sure that you will not receive a Clone . The functions ar the same and the spec also ( +/- are on some clones tou have modification like an added jewel or something else ... ) But almost everything is the same . Don't pay for the upgrade to "swiss"

Go For the 03-92 with the Asian clone ! Pics of the Gen for comparison :

http://www.photowatches.eu/thumbnails.php?album=333