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Modding a Super Avenger V2

OSX

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Hi,

I've sourced a gen Bezel and a gen dial along with a V2 SA (on the way).

How do I swap the Bezel? Is there a specific technic/ Mod?

thanks
 

Bartop

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As I understand it the V2 is notoriously difficult to fit a gen bezel to, certainly much harder than on a V1 or V3. There are some posts around on here which describe this, I'll link them for you later when I get a chance unless someone beats me to it.
 

OSX

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Thanks Bartop, I've done that bit of browsing through the post on the forum. My question was to find out what mods I need to make on my V2 to fit a Gen Bezel.
Has anyone been that route and would share the experience? (technical details appreciated).
 

fleadepot

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In theory it should be possible but many people inc SA experts beleived it's not worth the hassle due to v2 bezel being very good and on the other hand notoriously difficult to remove the rep one. As far as i remember i read on on of the rep forums that someone used a high speed dentist type drill to remove it. it might be easier to get a v3 if you really insist on a gen bezel or a v1 which is taking on a gen bezel and is water tight out of the box in most cases.
 

TheFrug

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Your chances of finding someone that will put a gen bezel on a v2 are virtually nil. It can be done by all accounts but it is an absolute pig of a job. As has already been said in the thread getting the bezel off the v2 is hard enough but then it is just as hard if not harder to get the gen bezel to stay on the v2 case.

V1 case will take a gen bezel out of the box but you either need to have the crystal ar'd or you'll need to swap out the crystal for a v2.

There is no perfect SA to franken each has pros and cons. V3 will take a gen bezel and a v2 caseback but the AR is not quite the right colour and it's hard to reliably waterproof.

V1 will take a gen bezel but has no AR

V2 is very waterproof, has the correct colour AR, has the best caseback but will not take a gen bezel.

Personally I like the V2 because the bezel is so close to the gen visually that it is very hard to spot the difference with a naked eye even side by side. I find the AR colour on a V3 with gen dial and bezel a bigger tell than the rep bezel on the V2. Not that either is a big enough tell for you to ever get called out.
 

fleadepot

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I currently have all 3 v1 v2 and v3. I think v2 is the best bet. just put the gen dial, service the 7750 or ventually put a gen cal13 if you manage to find a reasonably priced one. grease the seals, put a gen bracelet, gen rubber or gen leather and you're good to go.

Just to add to what anotherfrug said, the v1 caseback has no serial numbers and the v1 case will not take v2 or v3 casebacks with serials. you can either live without serials which is a screaming flaw to anyone who takes your watch in hand or have them engraved. also v1 case has plastic movement holder ring and wil not take the metal one as far as i could see. Hands on a v1 rep need replacing as they are to short.

here are all my current SA boys:


v2 with gen dial

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v3 :

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v1 with gen bezel and gen pro 1

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TheFrug

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Those pics are a perfect example, if it wasn't mentioned that the v1 had the gen bezel I'd never have picked it out and those pics are a lot closer than anyone will ever see your watch.
 

OSX

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thanks for that.
I love those pics fleadepot... especially the V2 with Gen dial. that will my prefered route.
 

apetrills

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I'm not thread jacking but, the v3 has the bezel and crystal pressed together correct ?
 

TheFrug

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I would love it if they bring out a v4 that is basically a v2 that will take a gen bezel as easily as the V1 does. The v2 bezel is real good but if someone can hold it and study it the engraved B on the edge of the bezel is an instant tell. I have 3, one has a really good B that you could get away with, one the B is just a dent. The other one I don't know because it is with Smidsy getting a gen dial and movement. Hopefully it's as good as my other franken rather than a dent like my untouched v2.
 

apetrills

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So to install a gen/ aftermarket (made to fit gen) the crystal and inner ring need to be repressed into new bezel ?
 

fleadepot

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That would really be great. I hope TDs will arrange some good new version that combines the best of all 3 existing versions. I'll have a look at my v2 bezel B letter. It didn't look to bad but will pay a bit more attention to detail.
I would love it if they bring out a v4 that is basically a v2 that will take a gen bezel as easily as the V1 does. The v2 bezel is real good but if someone can hold it and study it the engraved B on the edge of the bezel is an instant tell. I have 3, one has a really good B that you could get away with, one the B is just a dent. The other one I don't know because it is with Smidsy getting a gen dial and movement. Hopefully it's as good as my other franken rather than a dent like my untouched v2.
 

fleadepot

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BTW are you getting an old school cal 13b 17j or the modern one 25j version?

I would love it if they bring out a v4 that is basically a v2 that will take a gen bezel as easily as the V1 does. The v2 bezel is real good but if someone can hold it and study it the engraved B on the edge of the bezel is an instant tell. I have 3, one has a really good B that you could get away with, one the B is just a dent. The other one I don't know because it is with Smidsy getting a gen dial and movement. Hopefully it's as good as my other franken rather than a dent like my untouched v2.
 

TheFrug

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This franken is getting a gen new Swiss 25j 7750 rather than a cal 13. Because all breitling do is engrave the rotor I didn't see the point of paying a premium for a cal 13 compared to what I was able to pick the standard eta up for. In fact a used 17j cal 13 would have been double the price of this brand new 25j movement.

I'll have a look at my v2 bezel B letter. It didn't look to bad but will pay a bit more attention to detail.
Compare it side by side with your gen bezel and you'll see what I mean about instant tell unless you really lucked out with your v2. It's the only way I can spot a v2 with a gen dial and strap/bracelet. Of course without the watch in hand and my reading glasses on I could never call out a v2 franken and so I can live without a gen bezel (the click is another tell).
 

fleadepot

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This franken is getting a gen new Swiss 25j 7750 rather than a cal 13. Because all breitling do is engrave the rotor I didn't see the point of paying a premium for a cal 13 compared to what I was able to pick the standard eta up for. In fact a used 17j cal 13 would have been double the price of this brand new 25j movement.


Compare it side by side with your gen bezel and you'll see what I mean about instant tell unless you really lucked out with your v2. It's the only way I can spot a v2 with a gen dial and strap/bracelet. Of course without the watch in hand and my reading glasses on I could never call out a v2 franken and so I can live without a gen bezel (the click is another tell).

That's pretty much what i thought of the cal13 and 7750. I am keeping my eyes open for the less known 7750 25j based watches such as jacques lemans, philip watch, renato...on ebay. they very often go for something like 200 GBP. do you know any other good -cheap source of 7750 25j movements?

Another question, is modern cal 13b having the same datefont as normal 7750 or they changed it a bit?

bezel click is obviously different between v2 and gen but also gens can sometimes have different bezel click sounds related to the age of watch, exposure to water and so on. straps wise i got a gen pro 1 bracelet, gen pro diver ( on the way from the US) and a bob leather strap with gen breit buckle so i should be ok in terms of straps. i quite like the SA on PAM style straps as well :).

I'll try to photograph both bezels v2 and gen and we'll see how the situation is .

I am seriously thinking about the gluing possibilities for the 2 part v3 case. there are extremely serious glues for metal that should create good sealing. will post up if i manage to get to an answer.
 

TheFrug

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I was lucky and picked up a brand new 7750 of the bay for £130 and the gen date wheel was another £30 but deals like that don't come up very often. As far as I know the date font is the same on both the 17 and 25j movements.

I have a gen blue diver pro for my blue dialled franken. I have a gen croc on the way from the US and that will go on a rep deployment. I want a gen pro 1 and pro 2. Overall I prefer the pro 2 but the pro 1 is chunkier and looks real blingy on a black Arabic or stencil dialled SA.
 

OSX

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I got a similar deal for an Eta 7750 on the bay. A Baume & Mercier. I am not sure I want to fit it in the upcoming SA... I have a feeling that we are in need of a V4/2012...
 

TheFrug

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If you are putting in a gen dial then it's worth putting in the 7750 at the same time then selling the A7750 or keeping it as a spare if you have other 7750 based reps. Otherwise I'd run the Asian till it dies then put the Swiss in.

With your setup I'd put the dial and movement in the v2 and save the bezel or sell it on.