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Crazy Prices On Replica Watches?

RWIGWH

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I just viewed a new thread by a trusted dealer selling a Hublot King Power Black Magic Best Edition Back in Stock something or another. Decent lookin watch A7750 movement...
ONLY $418.00

Seriously? 418.00 for a replica from China? Seriously? Anyone buying this type of watch is hurting our hobby IMO.
This of course is just my opinion, and we all know what those are like...
But guys...Seriously? $418.00????? ONLY?
Christmas what has become of us!
 

Bonesey

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This is unfortunately the way it will always head towards.

Collectors on forums like this clamour for better watches

Dealers add more accuracy, price goes up

People complain it has no AR!

Dealer adds AR, price goes up

Rinse and repeat until you have great OOB reps that don't need a huge amount of modding or investment.

Have a look about, I know on Angus site there's a few reps with solid gold cases for $8-9k.

People pay hundreds if not thousands building franken vintage rollies and PAM's. The less modification the average buyer has to do to a watch to get it closer to realism the better for 90% of the collectors.
 

Bonesey

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Yes, but then you will just be wearing a Hamilton. How many folks are gonna go, damn, nice Hamilton. But strap a 48mm fully blacked out King Power and people are gonna be like, holy shitsticks, what's that on your wrist, that's awesome, you must be awesome, here have some of my beer and feel free to sleep with my attractive and nubile younger sister.
 

RWIGWH

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You forgot one thing...It's a fake watch from China. Now take your hands off my sister you loser! lmfao0o.
Yes, but then you will just be wearing a Hamilton. How many folks are gonna go, damn, nice Hamilton. But strap a 48mm fully blacked out King Power and people are gonna be like, holy shitsticks, what's that on your wrist, that's awesome, you must be awesome, here have some of my beer and feel free to sleep with my attractive and nubile younger sister.
 

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I would whole-heartedly agree with the premise that constant improvements cone with price increases if it were not the fact that almost every improvement seems to be accompanied by a new flaw somewhere else on the watch.
Prices are entirely based on "what will the stupid Westerners pay?".
Some watches seem worth the money, others simply do not.


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phillycheez

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Yeah... Personally I would never pay more than $250-$300 straight from a dealer unless they are modded in some way or another.

The 7750s are an exception to the rule due to the movement but even then I wouldn't. I've never owned a 7750 and probably never will UNLESS it's a swiss. The A7750s just scare me... Too many horror stories.
 

Omega88

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Yeah... Personally I would never pay more than $250-$300 straight from a dealer unless they are modded in some way or another.

The 7750s are an exception to the rule due to the movement but even then I wouldn't. I've never owned a 7750 and probably never will UNLESS it's a swiss. The A7750s just scare me... Too many horror stories.

A7750 rocks! I am wearing a breitling skyland avenger. The chrono works like charms even after many months. Oh! I forget it's a rep....
 

jiddy

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Damn this is Hard one... I remember paying 700usd for my HBB V1 icebang and mod it for more then that so 400ish usd for a V6 that look just as good as my modded one is almost a no brainer in my book. But some reps/versions are total ripoffs.
 

Ibn_Hasaf

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Prices are entirely based on "what will the stupid Westerners pay?".
Some watches seem worth the money, others simply do not.

This is my feeling too. If I were tempted to pay a premium price for a replica, I know there there would be the little voice in the back of my head asking if I am buying the exact same watch that I can get elsewhere for a lot less. We all know that marketing and perceived value has a lot to do with setting watch prices.

On that note, a few days ago I was walking through a mall with my GF in Wuhan, China and, as usual, I wandered off to look at the reps. [Note: Wuhan is a terrible city for reps]

She hadn't gone looking at reps with me since about three years ago in Shanghai [a much better city for reps]. I didn't like anything I was seeing because I am only looking for a older style 36mm Explorer and a 39mm IWC Flieger Chronograph.

My GF was not entirely clear what I was looking for, so we wandered into a "AD" store so I could point out what I was looking for (they only had the "large" models). While this answered one question, what, precisely, we were looking for, it left her with another question.

Later while we are having a cold drink she finally asked me the question that had been nagging her since we went to the AD. She asked why the gens were about 100x more than the better reps. She told me that she had asked on of the rep dealers while I was looking at something else and he had told her that it was the taxes. Well, that made no sense to her.

I talked to her about subtle differences in quality, it helps that the watch I normally wear, a citizen Gen is about 10x more than the typical good rep. This gave me a starting point for discussing quality. But then I had to admit that a lot of the price difference is in marketing and in the branding exclusivity that the higher price-points create. This she understood.

I can not help but wonder if some of this is applicable to the higher priced reps. Yes, some quality difference; but, mostly marketing value added.
 

s65amg

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what's the issue here? i cannot understand?? there are hublot replicas for 100USD, there are for 800USD. everyone is free to choose by his own.
 

believer123

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Well like people say lately, "It is what it is." I don't like some of the prices either, but I just shop around until I find what I feel is acceptable.
 

sempire

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The more expensive it is, the more expensive it is. That's why you pay to be one of the only guys with a 400$ king power instead of the thousands of guys with a 48$ noob sub.
 

tiresmoke

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I remember back before I found this forum and others like it. I was saving up money for one of those "Swiss" replicas for $1k from one of the scam sites. I was SOOO happy to have found legit info on that crap before I bought one.

That was about 5 or 6 years ago. I bought my fair share of various watches from trusted dealers since then. Most of what I've bought has been near the top quality-wise of what was available at the time because I didn't want to either get called out or regret the purchase... and plus getting a top notch rep back then could be had for $200-300 at most.

Despite not having been that long ago, a lot of things have changed since then. Even some of the most trusted dealers have come and gone. Some of the tactics used by TD's back then were not that far off from what was on those scam sites. Movements weren't always what was stated. Endlinks weren't solid gold. Now a lot of these myths have been proven false. Despite this, some persist... talk of 1:1 reps, etc.

Another thing that's changed is that the prices have gone way up. The "lower" quality (but still decent) reps have gone from $65 to being around $100-$150 or so. Not a big deal. The top quality reps, however, have jumped to $400, $500, $800 or more. Don't get me wrong... you can still get excellent reps for $250. But an $800 rep from a TD was nearly unheard of just a few years ago.

Personally, I don't know where this is going to end. Maybe it's flattened out, but I don't think so. Prices will probably still go up. After all, if people in this market are still willing to routinely pony up $475 for what might be a dirty and questionable movement in a watch that often has subpar QC... why would they stop raising prices?

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame them one bit. I don't blame the factories or the dealers. Why would they leave money on the table? Supply and demand. If we don't like it, we have to stop buying. But that's not going to happen... because we're addicts. ;) The bottom line is that, yes, we are spending a LOT of money on "fake" watches. But it's something that we want, so we buy.

Fortunately for me, a lot of the high priced reps happen to be asian 7750 movements. I haven't had that many 7750 movement watches, but I did own a few. Not a one of them worked perfectly... the seconds were jerky, the chronos didn't reset, etc.. I either sold them or had to get them serviced to get them to work well (and then ended up selling them afterward). So I tend to shy away from them now.

In the end, I guess that it has a couple of eventual outcomes. First, the market could level off and prices will stabilize. Or it could just continue to go up. The worst option would be that the Chinese government ends up finding a way to really crack down on the production of reps. That would make it extremely hard to get one... the used rep market would go way up and new ones would skyrocket in price. Ultimately, as China matures as an economy (somehow being a completely capitalistic market in a communist country), I think that this result will eventually happen.

The US went through the same industrial growing pains 50-100 years ago... the only difference is the level of technology around now. Back then, it was dirty and hazardous conditions in steel mills and machining factories. Now, there are sweat-shop conditions in factories in China. Right now, it's what we Americans call the "Wild West" (referring to what it was like ~150 years ago before there was much law in the western half of the country)... but as this facet of their economy advances, I would bet that the number of "fakes" (watches, clothing, drugs, etc.) that come out of that country will drop.

So... let's buy what we want and can afford, not buy what we don't or can't, and just enjoy our hobby while it's still around. While I agree that pricing is getting a little out of control, if we dwell on how much we spend, then we're never going to enjoy ourselves. :)
 

techlogik

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I always like how on the new Rolex, they decorate the same crappy asian movement with a purple wheel and 3135 stamp, and jack up the price $50 for the decorated movement, and it' a closed back watch!!

Complete waste of time and it's the same junky movement, and they are typically worse we have found for reliability, broken missing screws out of the box new.
 

RWIGWH

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We had an issue with an $800 rep that came out a few yrs ago. I believe it was a Big Bang King?...$1200 then $800...Then $500...Kinda strange no?
After a while (5 or 6 months maybe?) a new version came out around a little under 300 that was virtually identical. Magic I tell ya! This is the issue. Fortunately we have great members who are on top of things like this...I hope we never lose that. Let us not get glass eyed of the "newest""coolest" "noobest factory" V12 1:1 BS..
 

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in my brief time here i have learned among other things...if you can wait. wait. they will get better for less money...
 

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I believe this was >>>

We had an issue with an $800 rep that came out a few yrs ago. I believe it was a Big Bang King?...$1200 then $800...Then $500...Kinda strange no?
After a while (5 or 6 months maybe?) a new version came out around a little under 300 that was virtually identical. Magic I tell ya! This is the issue. Fortunately we have great members who are on top of things like this...I hope we never lose that. Let us not get glass eyed of the "newest""coolest" "noobest factory" V12 1:1 BS..
The "beginning of the end" of sanely priced reps!!....
Once our Asian "pals" discovered what a bunch of "suckers" they had the attention of, prices became a "whatever the market will bear" situation, rather than the traditional "cost plus a reasonable profit margin" scenario we once enjoyed...
As an old time retailer, I learned that customers "vote with their feet" a long time ago....And I "walked" away from those conditions at about the same time the "Big Bang Fiasco" took place...
I bought my first "trusted dealer" watch in @ 4 years last April, And I bought the 21j cheapest version available...And I'm still delighted by my choice!!...
I now see other versions of my $148.00 Ploprof selling for triple that amount on the used boards, and I wonder how we have become so damn crazy!!