A21J GMT with Faux GMT Function??? Crazy or Not?

[Egidio]

Yes I have "searched", yes I'm an idiot, a newbie and also a Nob. OK, I have now insulted myself enough, so all the experts out their hopefully won't bother, especially My Dear Doctor.

I bought a Rep Pan GMT, not knowing (because no one bothered saying) that the GMT was faux. It has a A21J Movement, which I have read Col. saying were made especially for GMT's. Another reason for not questioning the fancionality of the GMT. If there is one thing I hate, it is a Rep Pan GMT that does nor have a functioning GMT. Don't see the point in buying it as it only a few US$ less than a Rep Pan with a functioning GMT! "Do you follow me": as Dame Edna would have said.

What I would like to know please is: Can I throw away the Movement with the Faux GMT and buy a Movement that has a functional GMT? I see some of these Reps GMT's come out with 7750. If Col. is right and I am sure he is, what is the point of having a 7750 Movement in a GMT when a 21J Movement was made specificaly for GMT? And if a 21J Movement is made specificaly for GMT's then why in the name of "What'sHerName" do they make reps with faux GMT's?" Do you STILL follow me" as Dame Edna would have said.
Thank You

 

[hooligan]

No, I don't follow you. Are you asking if you can swap in an A7750 GMT movement as a replacement for your 21J movement? The answer, I believe, is "no". You'd need to swap out the dial and hands, as well. Not to mention it might need case modifications to get the movement to fit, but I'm not familiar with the 21J movements.

CliffNotes: You're probably better off selling the watch you have and re-buying that model with an A7750.

 

[Egidio]

No, I don't follow you. Are you asking if you can swap in an A7750 GMT movement as a replacement for your 21J movement? The answer, I believe, is "no". You'd need to swap out the dial and hands, as well. Not to mention it might need case modifications to get the movement to fit, but I'm not familiar with the 21J movements.

CliffNotes: You're probably better off selling the watch you have and re-buying that model with an A7750.

Thank you, I think what I was trying to say was that I read in a post here somewhere that Col. said that the 21J Movements was especially made for functioning GMT watches. So if they were made for GMT watches then why do they bother making 21J Movement watches that have faux GMT functions as opposed to functioning GMT watches? It does not make sense. And if 21J Movements were especially made for functioning GMT watches, then why do they use 7750 movements in some GMT watches? Does not make sense to modify a 7750 so that it works like a 21j should. I prever manual movements anyway as I fing them far more reliable than: A21J, A23J and 7750. Give me an old style Pocket Watch Movement any day. I have gen Pocket Watches that are almost a 100 years old and they still work great and I also have new Asian Auto's that have lasted a week and falling apart.

 

[RobbDizzle]

Did you buy an 088? Mine is A21J-powered and the GMT hand works just fine. If you're looking for a movement swap, you could always resort to that.

 

[Egidio]

I bought two from the same Dealer. I was under the impression that all A21J had working GMT as Col. said that the 21J Movement was made especially for GMT watches.

The Pam 088 : Advertised as : ASIA 2813 21J AUTOMATIC (They don’t say if it had faux or working GMT, but the GMT does work)

The Pam 063 : Advertised as : ASIAN 21J AUTOMATIC (They don’t say if it had faux or working GMT, but the GMT Does NOT Work)

There was only a US$10 Difference between the Watches, so who would have thought that one would be so different than the other?

The dealer was very quick and helpful and gave me a nice discount on my next purchase. So I'm not cranky at anyone, just curious.

Thanks for your help ,

 

[tommy_boy]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong about this, but wouldn't a standard A21J have to be modified to behave like a 2893-2 for it to function as working GMT?

I have a Sinn U2 that was sold as having a clone movement, not the A21J.

So I'd look for a reference either to a clone (2893, 2836?) or at minimum "working GMT function".

We see this with chronos, too. The dial looks OK but the 21J can't run the subdials as working chronograph dials. And the description may be vague at best on that point. Part of the game, I guess.

It's good to see that your dealer made a concession.

 

[RobbDizzle]

Did they make mention of the GMT at all in the listing? The difference in price doesn't necessarily make a difference here...I'm not really sure why the 063 would be the one without a working hand, as Rolie GMTII's run essentially the same movement and hand arrangement.

Lesson learned I guess, better to shoot the dealer an email before you order.

 

[Egidio]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong about this, but wouldn't a standard A21J have to be modified to behave like a 2893-2 for it to function as working GMT?

I have a Sinn U2 that was sold as having a clone movement, not the A21J.

So I'd look for a reference either to a clone (2893, 2836?) or at minimum "working GMT function".

We see this with chronos, too. The dial looks OK but the 21J can't run the subdials as working chronograph dials. And the description may be vague at best on that point. Part of the game, I guess.

It's good to see that your dealer made a concession.

It's not the end of the world, but I guess I have learned a lesson. They were my first GMT so I didn't think to look for the dealer saying "Working GMT". I just assumed that A21J had Working GMT's by what someone had posted on this site. Both did not say anything about working GMT's so I'm happy that at least one has "working GMT". The one described as just A21J does not have the working GMT's so I think you are correct in saying that it requires: "2893-2 for it to function as working GMT. Thanks so much for your input ,

Did they make mention of the GMT at all in the listing? The difference in price doesn't necessarily make a difference here...I'm not really sure why the 063 would be the one without a working hand, as Rolie GMTII's run essentially the same movement and hand arrangement.

Lesson learned I guess, better to shoot the dealer an email before you order.

Thanks. Lesson learned too late, but it's OK, as one works as a GMT and one is faux. It was my first GMT purchase so I am happy enough. I read on this Site that A21J were especially made for "working GMT's" so I didn't know that I had to look for "Working GMT" in the description. The fact that both description said nothing about working GMT's and being lucky enough to get one that works and a discount on my next purchase from them, makes me happy enough. Probably will throw the other one out the car window. No! I better not do that. Just put it in the bin.