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I am finding the rep world to be a very ambiguous place

romulous

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I am simply BLOWN AWAY by the out pouring of offers of help, information, encouragement, and humor that I have so far received in this thread.

THANK YOU

It is the responces such as these that make this forum such a wonderful place.
If you have not done so already
upgrade to beome a V.I.P.

this is not any easy thing, and it's a challenge to all noobs.

see, the problem lies in that there is no consistency.

example:
Hublot Big Bang All Black V1
Hublot Big Bang All Black V2
Hublot Big Bang All Black II V5

vs.

Rolex DSSD V1
Rolex DSSD V2
Rolex DSSD V3
Rolex DSSD V4
Rolex DSSD V5
Rolex DSSD Ultimate
Rolex DSSD Eurotime
Rolex DSSD Noobfactory

vs.

Breitling Superocean Heritage V1
Breitling Superocean Heritage V2
Breitling Superocean Heritage V3


okay, here we go.

Hublot: V1, V5, whatever is NOT a version of a watch. it's actually the name of a
factory, not a version of a watch. V1 makes all ceramic, high quality big bangs. V2
makes lower quality big bangs of various sorts. V3 makes the good bracelet big bangs
and a few other versions of Hublots. V4 makes the ceramic King Power watches and
also other select Hublot models. V5 makes all ceramic, high quality big bangs, like
the V1 factory but is threatening to become the favorite of the 5.

each Hublot factory has their own flaws, strengths, trademarks, etc. all take a lot
of studying to find out. some paint their hands wrong, or finish the rehaut wrong,
or have the wrong beat movement, or wrong this or that, they're all different.

Rolex: sigh. the DSSD has probably 10 versions to it. they went from V1-V5, and
this is basically a true reflection of versions of a watch. the same watch was made in
5 progressing versions, each getting a bit better. sometimes fixing one flaw while
creating another in the process. V5 was seen as the best, but there's more than
one version of it really. there's the Eurotime version and the Noobfactory version...
and then new versions started popping up. a version from the Milgauss factory, a
version from this other place, a version... now there's DSSDs everywhere. and they
range from like $120 to $600 or more.

same thing with this watch, as with every watch. if you find a watch you like, it's time
to start studying reviews and comparisons.

first step:
find pictures of the gen, lots of them, lots of angles.
look at them all, a lot, and often, really get to know the details.
second step:
then start looking for reviews of the reps. or side by sides with the gen. read threads
about that model. try to find the common belief of what version from what factory
is best. do your own comparisons with the reviews to your gen photos.
third step:
once you've decided on the version of the rep you want, next is to find it for the
best price or best dealer, your call. by this time you will know what to look for in the
pictures. you'll see a pic of say, a DSSD, and you'll immediately be looking for the
wrong 10, or how the pearl triangle looks, if it's flat or curved on the top. you'll
examine the pearl and it's placement. you'll be looking for things left and right and
you'll be able to figure out the version it really is, no matter the description. every
version is different.
last step:
make an informed and confident purchase of the watch you want, it's best version for you.

okay, I won't skip the Breitling, there's a lesson there too:

Breitling Superocean Heritage: here's an example where the version does not go in
order and really means nothing of significance based on it's number. the V1 is pretty
much junk. it's a rep that was made just by looking at pictures. it has flaws on
every single part of the watch, it's pretty terrible, it's not even the right size overall.
V2 is a rep that was made by a fantastic factory that actually had a genuine watch
to copy. the improvements are vast over V1, they built a whole new watch from the
ground up, and thank god for that. the bezel, dial, case, caseback, crown, etc. are
all fantastic. it's considered one of the best reps of its day no question. V3... well
not really sure what happened here, but we think that a different factory, maybe even
the V1 factory got a hold of a V2 rep and tried to rep that rep. seems they basically
have the same dial, but different case, the case is like the V1 case I think. in any
case (pun intended) it's inferior to the V2 in several ways. so you may think by
nature that the V3 or the Ultimate or whatever is the best, but in reality it's the V2
that is by far the best.

moral of the story:

either you need to do exhaustive research, or you need to ask someone that already
has done such research to have a clue what's going on. many of us here have
done just that and can surely help you, that's why we need to know the exact watch
you're looking for. because each has it's own history, versions, factories, etc.
and the "best" rep of that watch is not something you can easily figure out.

This post will make for a great STICKY

Watches are like girlfriends, some are cheap, some are easy, some are trashy, some are a work of art, some need a lube job before you can do anything with them, some come fresh, completely oiled, some will cost you a lot of money, some you will leave on your dresser for later. Most likely, you will hide most from your wife if you know what is good for you.

Your post reminds me of the words my first sales manager spoke to me many many years ago. He said "Always remember that business is like sex. When business is good it is Great and when business is not so good it is still OK.":biglaugh:
 

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I think its a reference to J/andrew.....
 

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I'd say after talking to and dealing with a couple of the dealers on our trusted list, you still can't trust them entirely. What they say to me in emails and what their website says are two totally different things. One even asked me what a hologram sticker was? Another told me there was no such thing as 18k on a rep, yet his website listed it. Take everything they say loosely and with a grain of salt, and the things people here say who actually have the product in hand (and aren't trying to sell it to you) more seriously.
 

romulous

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Right first rule please dont post a block of text like that :)

okies - reps come from specific factories and all rep dealers get the same watches. usually there will be 3 versions of a rep and you can usually see correlation between e.g. PT V1 and Ruby's V1....

Just to confuse things however sometimes the V1 from one dealer doesn't correlate to the V1 of another dealer and this is where research comes in...

The it gets REALLY confusing with models like the BCE where you have a V1, V2, V2 + DW, V3, V4 and Ultimate with no real correlation between any of these names and the watches.....

what were you thinking of buying... PM me or post here and I'm sure we can all help you out....

More $ will not necessarily get you a better rep here.... throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it..... SO with that in mind lets get you a good rep for a good price eh?

:)
Hi SMIDSY,

Here are some watches that I am having trouble deciding on. If you or any of the other pros on the forum can help I would really be thankful.

The 1st is a Cartier Ballon Bleu ss 2892. movement $528.00
http://puretimewatch.com/product/ballon-bleu-ss-white-dial-on-bracelet-eta2892-ultimate-edition-v2/

The 2nd is also a Cartier Ballon Bleu ss 2892 movement $628.00
both are ss with the same 2892 movement yet there is a $100.00 difference
http://puretimewatch.com/product/ballon-bleu-ss-on-bracelet-eta2892-ultimate-edition/

The 3rd is also a Cartier Ballon Bleu 2892 in ss $498.00. Is this one less expensive because of the engraving on the movement?
http://puretimewatch.com/product/ballon-bleu-ss-on-bracelet-eta2892/

the 4th is also a Cartier Ballon Bleu ss 2892 movement with diamond $528.00
http://puretimewatch.com/product/ballon-bleu-ss-diamond-bezel-on-bracelet-eta2892/

As you can see there is a these reps range in price from $498.00 to $628.00 in all stainless steel.

Also do you think it necessary to go with a 2892 movement as opposed to the 2824?

Thanks again for all of the wonderful feedback.
 

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Hi there Cartier isn't my area ao I'm sure someone can help however mivement I can help with...
The 2824 is a good movement it's ubiquitous used by breitling Cartier Etc it's a cheap workhorse reliable movement. The Swiss Movement costs between 30-70GBP depending one grade/ condition but the clones are just as good...

The 2892 is a gorgeous movement and personally I prefer it to the 2824. In terms of reliability and time keeping it's not rwally any better but its a very good looking and good quality movement.... They cost between 70-120GBP again depending in condition etc....

So really dont let the movement hold you back here.... Now I'll bow out to a Cartier expert :)

P.s. The 2892 is used by B&R breitling etc too usually in the mid range and sometimes has a chrono added to make the 2894zzzz
 

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Like the OP I'm wandering about in the maze too. It's an interesting maze, but a bloody confusing one at times.

I'm sure my next watch will be Breitling Navitimer but, which one do I get?

I'm giving some serious thought to this one:

http://www.replicamake.com/product_info.php?cPath=88_252&products_id=1859

If this isn't a good one, can somebody tell me a better version in a similar price range (if possible).

I think I'm getting a headache ........ :)




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The very ambguousness of the rep market can be largely attributed to the Ambiguously Gay Duo, who control the rep market far and wide. At the crack of dawn, the Duo strap on their spandex and begin "Sweatin to the Oldies" with Richard Simmons. Enough said. What can one expect?:fakey:

I don't get the humor or meaning behind what you are saying in this post. Please explain.

This is a sketch from SNL.. pretty funny.

[AME]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBcc2O9X8LM[/AME]
 

romulous

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This is a sketch from SNL.. pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBcc2O9X8LM

Thanks JC. I am glad that you cleared that up for me.
When I first read it I was feeling very frustrated and confused with this whole rep hobby thing.
Then there is this post that seemed as if it was trying to be cute in an ambiguous gay bashing sort of way.
As I had had enough ambiguity for one day I almost sent the poor poster to the wood shed for a negative rep spanking.
Than I would have had to do a JC7 and buy him a VIP upgrade if he complained or cryed.
LOL:biglaugh:
 

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Watches are like girlfriends, some are cheap, some are easy, some are trashy, some are a work of art, some need a lube job before you can do anything with them, some come fresh, completely oiled, some will cost you a lot of money, some you will leave on your dresser for later. Most likely, you will hide most from your wife if you know what is good for you.


LOL best post of the year

Thanks JC. I am glad that you cleared that up for me.
When I first read it I was feeling very frustrated and confused with this whole rep hobby thing.
Then there is this post that seemed as if it was trying to be cute in an ambiguous gay bashing sort of way.
As I had had enough ambiguity for one day I almost sent the poor poster to the wood shed for a negative rep spanking.
Than I would have had to do a JC7 and buy him a VIP upgrade if he complained or cryed.
LOL:biglaugh:

Sounds like you had a bad day....
 

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Thanks JC7, and to Romulous, sometimes those of us who might be a wee bit older, recall the golden moments of SNL and from time to time cannot resist referencing a skit in a response to a post that sounds all to familiar. While there may be Ambiguously Gay Duo's, Triplet's, Quadruplets, and even Quintuplets with Sextuplets, skipping gaily behind, with their ambiguously gay wristwatches, it is all good and it is all open season. Romulous seems like a standup guy. Nothing ambiguous about that!!Carry on and God Bless!
 

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...As I had had enough ambiguity for one day I almost sent the poor poster to the wood shed for a negative rep spanking.
Than I would have had to do a JC7 and buy him a VIP upgrade if he complained or cryed.
LOL:biglaugh:

There is only one JC7... The forum barely deals with me. ;)
 

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Hi SMIDSY,

Here are some watches that I am having trouble deciding on. If you or any of the other pros on the forum can help I would really be thankful.

The 1st is a Cartier Ballon Bleu ss 2892. movement $528.00
http://puretimewatch.com/product/ballon-bleu-ss-white-dial-on-bracelet-eta2892-ultimate-edition-v2/

The 2nd is also a Cartier Ballon Bleu ss 2892 movement $628.00
both are ss with the same 2892 movement yet there is a $100.00 difference
http://puretimewatch.com/product/ballon-bleu-ss-on-bracelet-eta2892-ultimate-edition/

The 3rd is also a Cartier Ballon Bleu 2892 in ss $498.00. Is this one less expensive because of the engraving on the movement?
http://puretimewatch.com/product/ballon-bleu-ss-on-bracelet-eta2892/

the 4th is also a Cartier Ballon Bleu ss 2892 movement with diamond $528.00
http://puretimewatch.com/product/ballon-bleu-ss-diamond-bezel-on-bracelet-eta2892/

As you can see there is a these reps range in price from $498.00 to $628.00 in all stainless steel.

Also do you think it necessary to go with a 2892 movement as opposed to the 2824?

Thanks again for all of the wonderful feedback.


well I neither am much good with Cartier. not sure many of us here are.
doesn't seem to be the most popular of brands, but I'll try.

1. Ultimate V2 - 528 - I guess the newest and "best" version
2. Ultimate V1 - 628 - slightly different movement/rotor/datewheel/caseback
3. Normal - 498 - different datewheel, movement appearance/caseback
4. Diamond - 528 - different movement/bezel


I personally like number 1 best, but I'm a Cartier noob. I like the caseback
the best, I think I like it's datewheel the best, I live it's movement the best.
I like it's price the best vs. the rest of them. that's the one I'd choose.
 

romulous

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There is only one JC7... The forum barely deals with me. ;)

JC I don't know just how to say this but
This is a rep forum they copy EVERYTHING and you are no exception :)

well I neither am much good with Cartier. not sure many of us here are.
doesn't seem to be the most popular of brands, but I'll try.

1. Ultimate V2 - 528 - I guess the newest and "best" version
2. Ultimate V1 - 628 - slightly different movement/rotor/datewheel/caseback
3. Normal - 498 - different datewheel, movement appearance/caseback
4. Diamond - 528 - different movement/bezel


I personally like number 1 best, but I'm a Cartier noob. I like the caseback
the best, I think I like it's datewheel the best, I live it's movement the best.
I like it's price the best vs. the rest of them. that's the one I'd choose.

Thanks M for the help :)
 

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JC I don't know just how to say this but
This is a rep forum they copy EVERYTHING and you are no exception :)..

Well Rom, I don't know how to say this but if there was a copy of me I assure you they would undoubtedly be of canal street quality not worthy the shipping charges or effort it took to replicate.
 

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Watches are like girlfriends, some are cheap, some are easy, some are trashy, some are a work of art, some need a lube job before you can do anything with them, some come fresh, completely oiled, some will cost you a lot of money, some you will leave on your dresser for later. Most likely, you will hide most from your wife if you know what is good for you.


d4m, you made me laugh real loud with that one :)
 

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The people who have the most enjoyment out of this hobby are the ones who buy what they like rather than strive for perfection because the time and effort you spend trying to make a rep 1-1 is not good value in most cases compared to buying a used Gen

100% +1!


I went through a time where I was starting to dislike watches as a result of buying different versions and the latest offerings. God knows how many different subs I went through, and I know Im not the only one. I even withdrew a bit from the hobby and stopped buying or even looking at various brands. But I discovered that just having a cool looking watch on my wrist and not caring if the rehaut engraving was off by .0001mm made collecting watches fun again. I buy what I like the looks of from trusted dealers or members and enjoy having a box full of watches. Dont sweat the little things and enjoy the watch.

Most people you know will not know the difference anyway. And by the way, if you start telling people about the different versions and differences and how the one you wore last week was only 21.6vph but the one you have on now 28.8vph their eyes will glass over real fast.
 

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100% +1!


I went through a time where I was starting to dislike watches as a result of buying different versions and the latest offerings. God knows how many different subs I went through, and I know Im not the only one. I even withdrew a bit from the hobby and stopped buying or even looking at various brands. But I discovered that just having a cool looking watch on my wrist and not caring if the rehaut engraving was off by .0001mm made collecting watches fun again. I buy what I like the looks of from trusted dealers or members and enjoy having a box full of watches. Dont sweat the little things and enjoy the watch.

Most people you know will not know the difference anyway. And by the way, if you start telling people about the different versions and differences and how the one you wore last week was only 21.6vph but the one you have on now 28.8vph their eyes will glass over real fast.

Coop with that having been said you have now brought joy to my world of replica watches.
I can now direct my OCD to areas of greater importance such as making sure that the hand towels in the bathroom are spaced exactly 6/16 of an inch apart. :):biglaugh:
 

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Coop with that having been said you have now brought joy to my world of replica watches.
I can now direct my OCD to areas of greater importance such as making sure that the hand towels in the bathroom are spaced exactly 6/16 of an inch apart. :):biglaugh:

Try for 3/8th instead! :)