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BREITLING Chronomat Evolution (BCE) 2010 Buying Guide

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The BCE. One of the best selling Breitling replicas for sure. It's not a new replica model but because it's still a solid seller I decided to write a small buying guide for it. When the old reviews came out it wasn't such a mess that it is now.

There are many versions of the BCE. Four, to be exact. I guess it's safe to say that v1 and v4 (Joshua calls it v3) are fundamentally the same base rep with same flaws (like missing subdial '12/10 tick). Looks like v2 and v3 are the same base watch as well. I've seen some nice v4's but also some with crooked and cheap looking pearls (the ring surrounding the lume dot is way too narrow). On the other hand v1/v4 have the "small '14 / '59 ticks" done accurately. Anal stuff for sure but important for us watch nerds.

After I had researched this rep model a bit, I came to the conclusion that OTB v3 is very good option. Actually Joshua sells this watch as "v2 with updated datewheel". I originally thought that my example was exactly that, but after further investigating this insane BCE rep model frenzy, I (just yesterday) found out that the community actually calls it v3. Joshua's v3 isn't the "real" v3, but actually v4 (God forbid!) Anyway, the original old v2 is long gone and permanently out of production. Got confused already? I'm not surprised, I almost got confused again.

Hardcore BCE guys consider original v2 dial nicer as the hour tabs had more "ivory" tone on them, and the Breitling "wings logo" was better. I also heard that there have been various QC issues regarding how the lume has been applied on v3. Luckily, the tabs on my copy were excellent and smooth.

On the other hand, the biggest improvement on v3 over v2 is the perfect Breitling datewheel, which is extremely nice touch.

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Yodap's BCE reference table (which I actually couldn't find from RWG) is great and helped me a lot. He's apparently a smart kid who knows a lot about Breitling reps.

There are some notes that I'm not sure though. It says that v2 had "superior bracelet" and "crispier dial". I haven't owned the original v2 so I can't comment the bracelet. But PT (who has sold these since the day one) swears that the bracelet hasn't changed at all. According to PT the v1/v4 come from one factory and v2/v3 from another. He refers to v1/v4 as the "cheap one".

After comparing the pictures I believe v2 and v3 are the exact same watch as well (besides the rider tabs, Breitling logo and datewheel). I scratch my head over Yodap's "crispier dial" claim as well. First, the print is excellent, and second: the ticks and font look 100% identical on both watches. Maybe there isn't one answer and there might simply be variation among the reps. Just like there's variation between the new "Ultimate" Fish replicas. There's only one factory manufacturing the "best Fish", and there's still variation. New Fish reps have smoother but a bit greener and "pimplier" lume application (uncharged). But then again the dial print has remained unchanged since the day one.

Either way, after treating the bracelet with truckloads of oil and metal polish it's difficult to believe that rep bracelet could be any nicer. It's heavy and became smooth as butter. Another nice thing about v3 bracelet is that it's long enough for a '8 wrist. If you have '8 wrists you need all the links but there's still some "play" left with the clasp micro adjustment. Small (max. 7'5) bracelet used to be a huge problem with some Breitling reps like Navitimer.

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Some watch models divide the membership but I doubt anyone can deny the fact that BCE is a beautiful watch. It's definitely a flashy model. The bezel on my example was pretty much perfect. Pearl is often the weak link on all replicas but superbly done on v2/v3.

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Beautiful watch. On that, we all agree. The only "love or hate" thing is the all polished Breitling bracelet. I have to admit that I'm not a huge fan of it. It's blingy and collects fingerprints like no other. I actually wish that they had repped the Blackbird, which is a model with all brushed case and bracelet. Quality wise the rep bracelet is very good (after proper treatment). SELs fit perfectly and I couldnt' find anything to complain about.

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CONCLUSION:

If you want a graphite BCE, go for this version v3 (v2 with updated dw on some dealer sites) or try to source the initial v2 with Lello datewheel through member trades. Actually I wrote that in my Breitling Guide years ago already. Personally, the wrong DW on old v2 would bother me more than a tad greener lume on v3. The wings logo thing is pretty much meaningless, imho. It's only noticeable in huge macro shots.

You can't go wrong with either. It's extremely nice replica and possesses quality feel. If you want "perfection", relume the rider tabs or source a gen dial. Older v2 rider tabs might be a tad nicer but they're far from perfect as well. Breitlings (with their lowly ETA movements) may not be horologically interesting watches, but gen Breitling dials are exceptionally well finished. If you take macro shots, the rep stuff can never compare.

Personally, I would have been very happy with this but I decided that it's not a watch for me. So I "flipped" it to a good forum friend. Actually I really like it, but it's too much of a departure from my more rugged sports chronographs... I doubt it could compete for wrist time against my SMP Chrono and Aquaracer. BCE gives me pretty much the same feeling that I get from Rolex Yacht-Master: beautiful watch but... I don't know if it's a fair description but both are too much of "rich old man watches" for me.

Actually I'd like to buy the original v2 for a review (just to be sure about the dial and bracelet supposed differences). So if someone in EU wants to part with his old thing, I might want to buy it, review it for the membership (and then flip it over again to another good member).

But on the other hand, I want one flashy Breitling in my collection so I have also purchased a v2 Skyland. Maybe it'll grab me more? So watch out, there's another review coming!!!

Thanks to Precious Time for another great transaction. God only knows how many watches I've bought from him. The watch was QC'd and perfectly functioning example. It was a pleasure as usual.

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WALLPAPER VERSION.
 

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thanks BT, great post, we will put it in the post of the month vote.
I got a black and a grey BCE and they are keepers
great rep out of the box
 

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I have the same one with black dial and white mini dials. I find the AR to be quite... horrible (the whole glass shine's a blue hue as soon ANY light hits it). Do you have the same issue with yours? Is the AR on the outside? If yes, how would you recommend taking it off to leave a nice finish...

Nice review btw :)
 

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Awesome post, and we were long overdue for a good review of this rep. I just love this watch... Mine is the initial graphite V2 with Lello DW, and I threw in a few further upgrades, like vac lume, gen crown, double AR, and gen ETA. Now I love it more than if it was a gen!! :) I think it was your Breitling guide that inspired me to source that model, and you were right... it's the best I have seen.

On a different note, the bracelets are ridiculous on these watches. A nice strap just adds so much to a BCE. Just like a PAM.

One question... What do you mean by "I actually wish that they had repped the Blackbird, which is a model with all brushed case and bracelet". Did you mean to say that you wish they had repped it better? Because I do feel that way... I always thought the BB is a great watch, but it's a pity the rep is not as good as the BCE.

Anyway, thanks again for a great post.
 

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Thanks all.

Hey Rooster, I meant the old model Blackbird.

THIS one, which pretty much looks like "brushed BCE".

I have the same one with black dial and white mini dials. I find the AR to be quite... horrible (the whole glass shine's a blue hue as soon ANY light hits it). Do you have the same issue with yours? Is the AR on the outside? If yes, how would you recommend taking it off to leave a nice finish...

Nice review btw :)

No, definitely not. You probably have another v(1,2,4). The AR is good but not that apparent.
 

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Thanks all.

Hey Rooster, I meant the old model Blackbird.

THIS one, which pretty much looks like "brushed BCE".



No, definitely not. You probably have another v(1,2,4). The AR is good but not that apparent.

I just got it from a trusted dealer, its the latest best version with everything correct. Paid a pretty penny for it also... Runs great, looks great, the dial is almost perfect (i beleive theirs a couple cardinal ticks that are a tad to long, thats it). Oh and the AR is very heavy... if i could fix that... it would be perfect.
 

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Did you sell your graphite BCE; ByTor?
 

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Did you sell your graphite BCE; ByTor?

Yes. Actually I wasn't going to keep it in the first place. I thought I'd might change my mind and keep it (if I fell in love with it), but pretty much knew what was going to happen. Actually it was quite sad as the watch is really beautiful but I don't want to keep watches that don't fit into my "rotation".

Skyland interests me much more as it's bulkier and the design is more "Fish like". We'll see. ;)
 

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BT, I read your post now several times, I cannot figure out the version I got.
This is also from Precious Time and I got it a year ago. I would say a V3 ??
I also did the oil treatment for several days and I love that bracelet.
BTW, when I received the watch the hands had a c1 lume and I have relumed then now to c3.

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Guru,

I think yours is v2. The Breitling wings logo is more accurate. On the v3 the left wing doesn't have the correct curvature. Or then it's some kind of mix between v2 and v3. I'm just as puzzled as you are.

When the hour marker sticks are uncharged, do they appear white or greenish?
 

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Hey Rooster, I meant the old model Blackbird.

THIS one, which pretty much looks like "brushed BCE".

Make sense... but that was a smaller watch, wasn'it it? Last year I bought a used one on TZ and was so disappointed that it wasn't the same size as the new BB (or the BCE) that I sold it on it the very same day (my bad for not checking before buying).
 

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Yes I believe the old Blackbird was smaller. Could be 40-42mm.

But strangely enough I've found myself liking the smaller (usually older) watch versions more. 40mm is plenty. There are many models which are much better looking in moderate sizes. TAG Aquaracer Chronograph and Planet Ocean come to mind.
 

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When the hour marker sticks are uncharged, do they appear white or greenish?

Hi BT, they match now the lume on the index and are a little greenish.
When I received the watch, they were white, uncharged.
 

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good view and nice picture. cheer.
 

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Another amazing review. Clears up a lot of questions. Thank you. Great pictures ... maybe I will just print them in color, cut them out and tape them to my arm. I noticed that the word, "Automatic" is written in white on Guru's watch and in BT's watch, it is red; and yes, the curvature of the wings is a little bit more robust on Guru's watch. I'm not sure any of these things will matter to me once I pull the hammer so long as the dw is correct. Very nice work.