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    Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Tourbillon - Defying gravity in mysterious ways

    Vacheron Constantin Traditionelle Tourbillon
    - Defying gravity in mysterious ways


    Oh my! Reviewing a watch like this, more questions emerge, than answers. Where do you even start? Enthralled by its captivating beauty I wonder, am I even justified giving my judgement on such a beautiful object? And what is this object? Is it merely a watch showing time? Is it a piece of art? Or is it a mystical mechanical component, made to defy one of the basic law of physics – gravity?

    I don’t think this piece of art can be limited to be only one or the other. This is rather an example of when the whole is so much more than its individual parts. And when the boundaries of science, art and mystics are blurred.


    History of the tourbillon
    When Abraham-Louis Breguet found out that gravity is the enemy of regularity in horological movements, as a answer he invented the tourbillon in 1801. To avoid the disturbance gravity caused by pulling down on the escapement mechanism, he encaged the whole escapement in a rotating cage. It rotated once in a minute, evening the effect of gravity’s pull and thereby giving the watch more precision. Although the effect was more dramatic in pocket watches, as they are in the same position most of the time. The effect on wrist watches being very subtle, as they are changing positions much of the time, but it’s still there.


    History of VC Tourbillons (wristwatches)
    Vacheron Constantin started producing tourbillons in wristwatches pretty late. Beginning with the reference 30050 in the 1990’s.



    It was rare, as were a few couple of tourbillon watches produced afterwards, often combined with other complications. Being very rare.
    It’s in the 2000’s that they released their tourbillons to the public so to say.
    One remarkable release in 2012 is the Vacheron Constantin Patrimony Traditionnelle 14-day tourbillon.



    A very high quality (almost flawless) rep of this came in 2017, but the factory went out of business, why it is very rare to get hands on.

    Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Tourbillon (gen)

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    Facts first:
    Released mid 2018. Case size: 41mm. Case thickness: 10.4mm. Priced in RG at: 118000USD, Platinum: 149000USD.

    This watch had an hour and minutes hand, a 60-seconds tourbillon with a colored screw functioning as a second’s hand. The movement was the automatic caliber 2160 with a peripheral rotor, and running at 18000vph (2,5hz), 80 hours power reserve and decorated with the Geneva Seal.
    The RG version had a gold dial and gold stick markers, while the platinum had a platinum dial and white gold stick markers. On the periphery was a grey minute track. They kept the dial clean without anything disturbing the beauty of the tourbillon cage. Which in itself is remarkably decorated with the Maltese Cross.

    Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Tourbillon - The rep


    I had the breathtaking experience of holding both the VC 14-day tourbillon and this VC Traditionelle Tourbillon in the hands and looking at it with a loupe at a watch Expo.
    I had my doubts if I wanted to purchase this rep or not, given the flaws it has (mentioned below). But I bought it, because the looks captivated me. It’s like the girl you know she’s trouble, but you just can’t get your eyes off her. You just have to have her.


    Facts first:
    Rep case diameter: 42mm
    Rep case thickness: 12mm (without crystal), 13,6mm with crystal.




    Lug width: 22mm (confirmed)
    Buckle width: 18mm (confirmed)
    Strap: Black piece of garbage, as expected.

    Case
    The watch is heavy in the hands and on the wrist.
    Gold color and quality: Gold color is a bit more red than fx the rose gold color of ZF, but less than the cheaper looking one’s with too much copper in them.


    Finishing: Is good, it’s flawless and mirror polished on the whole case.


    Case shape and size is different than the gen. The gen is almost 2 mm slimmer and 1 mm smaller in diameter and has a more “slim look” as the bezel is thinner and the lugs are lighter and thinner. The same is the case for the crown.
    The case is exactly the same as the VC 14-day power reserve tourbillon. In that sense they haven’t made a case for this watch, but just used the old one it seems.



    Dial
    Dial is very minimalistic in its look, exactly like the gen, with rose gold applied markers and a silvery grey minute’s track, which gives a great contrast. The dial has a shimmery surface, which looks very good under spots and in restaurants.

    The Vacheron Constantin cross and logo is crisp and slim like the gen.


    Hands
    Are double facetted Dauphine-type hands in rose gold like the gen. The central pinion is silver like the gen. A nice detail.
    They have put the text “Pt950” on the dial at 4:30, which is only there in the platinum version. Although this is not a big deal, as It is very small.

    Tourbillon cage
    Is well decorated, although there are some details that are not the same, it is still very convincing. One of the more prominent difference being: The maltese cross has 4 screws in gen, the reps are lacking two of them. One of them should’ve been dark grey to appear as a second’s hand screw, but it isn’t. I know this feature is there in the platinum version rep, which has a blue screw like gen.

    Crystal
    Definitely AR coated and is of good enough quality.


    Movement

    Is a manual wound Asian seagull tourbillon movement. The gen has a peripheral rotor. Off course, which is an impossibility as there are no available tourbillon movements with a peripheral rotor for reps.
    Decoration: Is the same as the old version rep of the 14-day power reserve tourbillon. The movement is nicely decorated and looks convincing in itself. It has correct engravings without spelling mistakes, it has the Geneva stripes, the Geneva seal logo and the tourbillon is visible at 6. But it looks so good that you don't care much:


    Bonus points:
    Here I would give special mention to the deployant. What a genius person who designed iy. It’s beautiful, elegant and very functional. It’s made of two foldable parts, one for each strap – here comes the ingenuity – they made it longer for the strap at 6 and shorter for the strap at 12. You can therefore use the same strap lengths you usually use with pin buckles! I normally use 110/70 for my pin buckle straps, and modify these making the 6 o’clock part longer and the 12 part shorter to make sure the deployant doesn’t nag and Is centralized on the wrist. But here I can use a 110/70 strap on the deployant!



    Major flaws
    - case size
    - case and lugs shape
    - manual wound movement
    - lacks the seconds hand screw (not a flaw in the platinum version)

    Minor flaws
    - “Pt950” print on dial, which is off course not a flaw in the SS rep of the platinum version


    Conclusion


    I won’t state the obvious or repeat the flaws here as I usually do. Because I won’t treat this watch like a rep of the gen (!). I would just like it to be seen for the watch it is. This is that kind of rep, and that’s the reason why I bought it knowing the flaws.
    For a moment let’s imagine, that there was no gen to compare this watch to. And you know what: There is no gen. There are no 118.000USD on the account to spend on the gen. And the proposed game isn’t difficult to play. There are very few who will ever see the gen, let alone hold it in the hands. So convincing is this “rep” that it would need someone with the whole Vacheron watch catalogue memorized, to point out “this isn’t one they made and therefore it’s a rep”. And I can only confirm how visually convincing it is as a watch, because I had the chance to hold the gen in rose gold and look detailed at it.

    We have at hand a well-balanced watch, that wears exquisitely on the wrist.

    The dancing mystical tourbillon and the ticking sound is such a symphony, encased in such a stunning way. It appeals not only to the thinker inside, but also the creative being, appreciating artistic beauty.
    This gravity-defying mechanical, mystical looking object is more captivating to look at, than the functional value it has. Some go so far to call it the most pointless complication. But then again, can’t beauty have a value in itself. Does everything need to have some kind of function to have value?
    Human kind has always been attracted towards the beauty of shining gold. The warmness and shine of the rose gold is so perfectly harmonious with this watch, that It almost feels like it could never have been different. I personally therefore prefer the rose gold version of it.

    The watch is refined in its appearance: It has a clean dial and a very elegant, non-complicated way of showing its complex feature: The tourbillon.
    Being placed at 6, in a symmetric dial with no needless features, the watch is so light on the eye. And that is what Vacheron Constantin does so well and better than most in the industry. They don’t overdo the design. It is, as they heard the mantra: “The watch is complex enough having a tourbillon, we don’t need to overload the dial to make it look complex”.



    The questions answers themselves really.
    Last edited by jm_brc_7057; 30-01-20, 10:34.
    My reviews: A.L.&S. 1815 Tourbillon V2 - VC Traditionnelle Tourbillon - VC Traditionnelle - Patek 5070P Saatchi London Ltd. Edi - Patek 5089G Azulejos - Patek 5524G - Patek 5975R - Patek 5205G - Patek 6102R Celestial Moon Age - Richard Mille 035-02 ZF (crown rubber change).

    New review released: Patek 3800 gen vs Patek 5711 PPF

    Collection inspirational thread.

    #2
    You don't have an idea how much I enjoyed this review, at the level of a hodinkee one.

    I say it in every review you do, but you are making these reviews a pain for my wallet, you show the flaws of the watch but you make a lot of emphasis on the attributes of it!

    Thank you very much for the effort and dedication, we expect more reviews like this one!

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      #3
      Originally posted by m1994 View Post
      You don't have an idea how much I enjoyed this review, at the level of a hodinkee one.

      I say it in every review you do, but you are making these reviews a pain for my wallet, you show the flaws of the watch but you make a lot of emphasis on the attributes of it!

      Thank you very much for the effort and dedication, we expect more reviews like this one!
      Your kind mate. Good to hear that you enjoyed it.

      Haha yeah but I like to focus on being realistic on what’s possible and what’s at hand.

      Thanks mate. These VC reviews don’t get much love as it’s not a popular brands as others. But I will maybe make a review when I receive my 5089G.
      Last edited by jm_brc_7057; 31-01-20, 15:28.
      My reviews: A.L.&S. 1815 Tourbillon V2 - VC Traditionnelle Tourbillon - VC Traditionnelle - Patek 5070P Saatchi London Ltd. Edi - Patek 5089G Azulejos - Patek 5524G - Patek 5975R - Patek 5205G - Patek 6102R Celestial Moon Age - Richard Mille 035-02 ZF (crown rubber change).

      New review released: Patek 3800 gen vs Patek 5711 PPF

      Collection inspirational thread.

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        #4
        As always, an awesome review !

        I don't like the tourbillon cage, but that has nothing to do with being a rep, I don't like the gen one either

        But that deployant buckle ... it's a beauty !

        Sorry I've missed it, but it was posted in the "Other brands" general category, so I've moved it to the Vacheron Constantin sub forum instead, that should help out a bit.

        on my RWG review and here, I've also taken the habit of tagging previously interested people, that also help spreading your good words

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          #5
          Originally posted by Glaude View Post
          As always, an awesome review !

          I don't like the tourbillon cage, but that has nothing to do with being a rep, I don't like the gen one either

          But that deployant buckle ... it's a beauty !

          Sorry I've missed it, but it was posted in the "Other brands" general category, so I've moved it to the Vacheron Constantin sub forum instead, that should help out a bit.

          on my RWG review and here, I've also taken the habit of tagging previously interested people, that also help spreading your good words
          Oh i didn't realize that. Thanks for moving it here

          The tourbillon cage they've made with the maltese cross maybe therefore.

          Yeah. I know of some people that are interested in VC and some who might enjoy just the review. NF1965 Dr Fun Socks _DC_ C Master semperfi55 jai04 Xabo VMSG HorologyFreak gigi77 klockjohan BIONONE majwilliams0308 xpresso Almog rek00001 KilowattHour theflyingdutchman n0bby Godfathar maison888 fake64 tangokilo Cheeps TheAlchemist BustaPart
          Last edited by jm_brc_7057; 01-02-20, 10:07.
          My reviews: A.L.&S. 1815 Tourbillon V2 - VC Traditionnelle Tourbillon - VC Traditionnelle - Patek 5070P Saatchi London Ltd. Edi - Patek 5089G Azulejos - Patek 5524G - Patek 5975R - Patek 5205G - Patek 6102R Celestial Moon Age - Richard Mille 035-02 ZF (crown rubber change).

          New review released: Patek 3800 gen vs Patek 5711 PPF

          Collection inspirational thread.

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            #6
            How could i have missed another astonishing review from you mate... like the gents above already said valuable content - very informative, very objective with the right amount of subjectivity and not to forget those awesome shots of this bargain - compared to the gen of course.

            While I don‘t like the case shape of the gen (maybe it is the bezel that puts me off... i dont know) i have to say that i really like the ongoing trend of improving the chinese tourbillon movements.

            I only can have a guess but that might come from the lack of custom clone movements of the various gen in house calibres - but the availability of the sea gull base tourbillon on the other hand that comes close enough visually to imitate the much higher priced gen counterparts

            anyways - i appreciate the time you spend on the contribution to the forum!

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              #7
              Got to say you have gone above and beyond again mate! Great effort and a great watch! I too am a sucker for going to the ad, trying on a watch and then ordering the rep on my way out the door thanks for the mention and enjoy this beauty! Ive got the malte tourby and your right, its an incredibly well designed deployant. Credit is due to the design team at vacheron.

              Also glaude is wrong, its a fantastic cage for a tourbillon!
              Last edited by Dr Fun Socks; 01-02-20, 13:16.

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                #8
                Thanks for your time.
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                REP - PP Nautilus 5711 blu - AP Fc sub - Rlx Sub 1680 rosso

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by jm_brc_7057 View Post

                  Oh i didn't realize that. Thanks for moving it here

                  The tourbillon cage they've made with the maltese cross maybe therefore.

                  Yeah. I know of some people that are interested in VC and some who might enjoy just the review. NF1965 Dr Fun Socks _DC_ C Master semperfi55 jai04 Xabo VMSG HorologyFreak gigi77 klockjohan BIONONE majwilliams0308 xpresso Almog rek00001 KilowattHour theflyingdutchman n0bby Godfathar maison888 fake64 tangokilo Cheeps TheAlchemist BustaPart
                  Thank you for tagging me and for your time and care in the review of this stunning piece!

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                    #10
                    Thanks for the tag mate. Your reviews are getting better and better. My 14 day VC tourbillion says hi

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by BIONONE View Post
                      How could i have missed another astonishing review from you mate... like the gents above already said valuable content - very informative, very objective with the right amount of subjectivity and not to forget those awesome shots of this bargain - compared to the gen of course.

                      While I don‘t like the case shape of the gen (maybe it is the bezel that puts me off... i dont know) i have to say that i really like the ongoing trend of improving the chinese tourbillon movements.

                      I only can have a guess but that might come from the lack of custom clone movements of the various gen in house calibres - but the availability of the sea gull base tourbillon on the other hand that comes close enough visually to imitate the much higher priced gen counterparts

                      anyways - i appreciate the time you spend on the contribution to the forum!
                      Thanks mate. They are doing a great job with these tourbillon reps and decorating the tourbillon cages. It's definitely a good time for us.
                      My reviews: A.L.&S. 1815 Tourbillon V2 - VC Traditionnelle Tourbillon - VC Traditionnelle - Patek 5070P Saatchi London Ltd. Edi - Patek 5089G Azulejos - Patek 5524G - Patek 5975R - Patek 5205G - Patek 6102R Celestial Moon Age - Richard Mille 035-02 ZF (crown rubber change).

                      New review released: Patek 3800 gen vs Patek 5711 PPF

                      Collection inspirational thread.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dr Fun Socks View Post
                        Got to say you have gone above and beyond again mate! Great effort and a great watch! I too am a sucker for going to the ad, trying on a watch and then ordering the rep on my way out the door thanks for the mention and enjoy this beauty! Ive got the malte tourby and your right, its an incredibly well designed deployant. Credit is due to the design team at vacheron.

                        Also glaude is wrong, its a fantastic cage for a tourbillon!
                        Haha yeah, it's just incredible what you can get for the money with reps. Yeah VC make's timeless designs. It's incredible.

                        One piece i absolutely love and is in my eye's one of the most beautiful watches made:


                        It's a minute repeater. But even without the minute repeater function i would love to buy a rep of this design.

                        Thanks mate.
                        My reviews: A.L.&S. 1815 Tourbillon V2 - VC Traditionnelle Tourbillon - VC Traditionnelle - Patek 5070P Saatchi London Ltd. Edi - Patek 5089G Azulejos - Patek 5524G - Patek 5975R - Patek 5205G - Patek 6102R Celestial Moon Age - Richard Mille 035-02 ZF (crown rubber change).

                        New review released: Patek 3800 gen vs Patek 5711 PPF

                        Collection inspirational thread.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by tangokilo View Post

                          Thank you for tagging me and for your time and care in the review of this stunning piece!
                          Originally posted by baia64 View Post
                          Thanks for your time.
                          Thank you gentlemen!
                          My reviews: A.L.&S. 1815 Tourbillon V2 - VC Traditionnelle Tourbillon - VC Traditionnelle - Patek 5070P Saatchi London Ltd. Edi - Patek 5089G Azulejos - Patek 5524G - Patek 5975R - Patek 5205G - Patek 6102R Celestial Moon Age - Richard Mille 035-02 ZF (crown rubber change).

                          New review released: Patek 3800 gen vs Patek 5711 PPF

                          Collection inspirational thread.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by jai04 View Post
                            Thanks for the tag mate. Your reviews are getting better and better. My 14 day VC tourbillion says hi
                            Thanks mate! It's a lovely piece. Maybe one of the most flawless tourbillon rep.
                            My reviews: A.L.&S. 1815 Tourbillon V2 - VC Traditionnelle Tourbillon - VC Traditionnelle - Patek 5070P Saatchi London Ltd. Edi - Patek 5089G Azulejos - Patek 5524G - Patek 5975R - Patek 5205G - Patek 6102R Celestial Moon Age - Richard Mille 035-02 ZF (crown rubber change).

                            New review released: Patek 3800 gen vs Patek 5711 PPF

                            Collection inspirational thread.

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                              #15
                              I really have the urge to get back into tourbys. This is not helping lol.

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