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    #31
    Originally posted by Andrej View Post
    I know someone who have genuine ones In Safe at the Bank and good fakes at home, if someone breaks into your house because you show what you got you lost 500 dollars instead of 25.000

    Simple trick and the insurance pays the rest. It happened twice to him on his house on Ibiza, Spain where they break in and steal the nice Reps and he laughed because he lost only 3 thousand instead of 60-70

    I would like to see the faces of the housebrakers when they go to the next black market dealer and realise they break in for nothing


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    I would lose more money, if someone stole my ZZF 114060, than if they stole my gen 114060 :-)


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      #32
      Originally posted by KJ2020 View Post
      The serial number on the rehaut of this watch ID's it as a ZZF. First, gen serial numbers are evenly spaced and centered between the minute tic marks. Second, ZZF serials all begin X 7 L 2, or Y 7 L 2, followed by 4 random characters. ZZF changed the first X to a Y after many complaints about the "double X" due to it being next to the trailing X in R O L E X. Third, ZZF has a unique extra spacing between the L and the 2. There is no question as to the origin of this watch, it is a ZZF, most likely a very late batch V2S as those had the Y serial along with the dial X flaw corrected (not related to the serial number). It could also be a V3 but there are not a lot of those in buyers hands yet.

      That this was posted on a gen forum is grounds for it being called out in any way someone wants, IMO.
      I am impressed with your expertise, sir!

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        #33
        Originally posted by CRANO View Post

        Yeah, and you called the REP factory - can you differentiate ZZF's AR vs another factory? Wow! It's like Babe Ruth calling where he's going to put his home run.
        He asked a reasonable question - because he didn't know the answer.

        Instead of becoming hysterical, you could have answered him.

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          #34
          Originally posted by KJ2020 View Post
          First, gen serial numbers are evenly spaced and centered between the minute tic marks.
          Mate this is wrong
          Before buy my zzf i personally looked at photos of 70 random watches for sale on chrono24,
          and 10 of its, had the serial number not centered...i saved one photo of that tens watches...

          When one day we are convinced that not even the R Factory is perfect, we will wear our reps with more serenity


          Edit: another example on LN version


          Last edited by federik91; 23-11-20, 15:59.

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            #35

            Originally posted by federik91 View Post
            When one day we are convinced that not even the R Factory is perfect
            I believe that day has already arrived.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Andrej View Post

              I don’t think that insurance will pay the prices you get now on the market it’s the same with every insurance problem that they pay prices under the market worth.

              If you buy a watch 5 years before for example for 11.000 and now on the free market you get 25.000 the insurance will never pay the market price so you lost or you go to the court and spend two years and thousand headaches later more money for your attorney than you get at the end.

              However in my opinion good objects and watches for earning money because they are rare is good to keep it safe.


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              being in that industry for 20yrs....we don't pay grey market prices. we go to the AD to re- acquire the piece. while it may take a while. insurance company will not pay 18k for a hulk when retail was $9250.

              insurance industry is the largest purchaser of jewelry period. we use back channels to acquire pieces. so while it may be hard to find and harder for the public to find. they don't contact one AD at a time there is a channel to acquire pieces for customers. however that being said. you also insure your piece from an appraisal. So if you got an appraisal to say your hulk was 18k in value...we can go up to 18k....we still may be able t acquire the piece for 10k or retail. We don't have to spend all 18k, sure you pay premiums on it. but if need be we will acquire the piece to make you whole.

              if its underinsured. you will get a check for the value of the listed premium you paid for. since 99.9% of insurance companies require you to provide an appraisal or receipt....fakes aren't really an issue as it is unlikely you will be able to get them on the insurance policy. only way is a friend who is willing to write your fake up as a real but once the serial doesn't check out. your screwed.

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                #37
                Originally posted by kevBquick View Post

                being in that industry for 20yrs....we don't pay grey market prices. we go to the AD to re- acquire the piece. while it may take a while. insurance company will not pay 18k for a hulk when retail was $9250.

                insurance industry is the largest purchaser of jewelry period. we use back channels to acquire pieces. so while it may be hard to find and harder for the public to find. they don't contact one AD at a time there is a channel to acquire pieces for customers. however that being said. you also insure your piece from an appraisal. So if you got an appraisal to say your hulk was 18k in value...we can go up to 18k....we still may be able t acquire the piece for 10k or retail. We don't have to spend all 18k, sure you pay premiums on it. but if need be we will acquire the piece to make you whole.

                if its underinsured. you will get a check for the value of the listed premium you paid for. since 99.9% of insurance companies require you to provide an appraisal or receipt....fakes aren't really an issue as it is unlikely you will be able to get them on the insurance policy. only way is a friend who is willing to write your fake up as a real but once the serial doesn't check out. your screwed.
                For this reason let the Housebreakers get the Fake one, the genuine in a safe because the headaches with the insurance companies don’t worth it.

                Especially when they break twice in your house between 2 years the insurance will prove everything


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                  #38
                  Don’t worry about house breakers now. They take them in the street in daylight


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                    #39
                    Originally posted by stufuse View Post
                    Don’t worry about house breakers now. They take them in the street in daylight


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                    Indeed. Part of the catalyst as to why I only wear reps now in public in the UK, unless it’s an environment I know I won’t be outside. A man was stabbed to death for his SS Rolex date only President recently, just down the road from me. One of the perpetrators was just sentenced to life in prison for it.
                    Last edited by Roguetheory; 23-11-20, 20:47.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Roguetheory View Post

                      Indeed. Part of the catalyst as to why I only wear reps now in public in the UK, unless it’s an environment I know I won’t be outside. A man was stabbed to death for his SS Rolex date only President recently, just down the road from me. One of the perpetrators was just sentenced to life in prison for it.
                      The guy in Greenwich who was with his Mrs?

                      The issue with that is you’ll still Bring the same unwanted attention and Treatment wearing the reps


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                        #41
                        Right, if Rep or GEN when hungry eyes look at you it get dangerous


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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Roguetheory View Post

                          A man was stabbed to death for his SS Rolex date only President recently, just down the road from me. One of the perpetrators was just sentenced to life in prison for it.
                          This is so f#cking sad and tragic. Really feel for his loved ones.
                          Gen. Rolex Submariner Date 16610 | Gen. Rolex Submariner Date 116610LN | Rep. Rolex Submariner Date 116610 LN (BK v5) | Rep. Rolex Submariner Date 116610LN (WBK) | Rep. GMT II Pro Hunter | Gen. Tag Heuer Link Calibre 36 (CT511A.BA0564) | Gen. Tag Heuer Quartz Link Chrono (CT1111)

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by stufuse View Post

                            The guy in Greenwich who was with his Mrs?

                            The issue with that is you’ll still Bring the same unwanted attention and Treatment wearing the reps


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                            Yes exactly, the Greenwich incident.

                            You’re also right about the conundrum of still attracting the same unwanted attention with reps. My point is more a case of in the event of being mugged (yet hopefully not harmed), you’re only losing a $500 rep.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by stufuse View Post

                              The guy in Greenwich who was with his Mrs?

                              The issue with that is you’ll still Bring the same unwanted attention and Treatment wearing the reps


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                              Yeah that was pretty messed up. Just down the road from me as well. I had actually taken my daughter to Greenwich Park that day wearing a Sea Dweller.

                              I agree that you’re just as much of a mark wearing a fake as you are wearing a gen. OK, so you’ll hand it over quicker, but that isn’t going to guarantee you wont get cut.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by muiramas View Post

                                Yeah that was pretty messed up. Just down the road from me as well. I had actually taken my daughter to Greenwich Park that day wearing a Sea Dweller.

                                I agree that you’re just as much of a mark wearing a fake as you are wearing a gen. OK, so you’ll hand it over quicker, but that isn’t going to guarantee you wont get cut.
                                Yep especially with how good these high end reps look.

                                There’s no guarantees at all, you can comply and still cop it as we seen in other cases.

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