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  • {{ NOOB V3 Daytona vs Gen Daytona vs ARF V2 Daytona }}

    October 2019
    This is a comparison of the popular Stainless Steel Case and Bracelet Rolex Ceramic Bezel Daytonas produced from 2015 to the Present. The Stainless Steel Bezel Daytonas have not been updated yet, so they are not included in this comparison.

    - A Brief Stainless Steel Genuine Daytona Guide -

    Key features that make each of these watches different...

    - The 116520 was produced from 2000 to 2015 and has a Stainless Steel Bezel.
    - The 116500 replaced the 116520 in 2016 and is produced with a Ceramic Bezel.

    - The Rolex Logo and the Wording under it changed from the 116520 dial to the replacement 116500.
    - The Rolex Font is different leaving more space around the letters on the newer 116500 dials.
    - The Rolex name is about the same width, but the spacing of the wording under it is narrower.
    - If you compare the location of T in Oyster in relation to the R in Rolex, the difference is easy to see.
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    - The Size and Thickness of the Sub-dials appears to be the same for all of the dials, with the exception of the White 116500.
    - The Sub-dials on the White 116500 Panda are slightly thicker than the other dials as shown in the picture below.
    - On the Black dials, the Silver Sub-dials are a less shinny, matte finish on the newer 116500 Ceramic Bezel watch.

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    - 116500 Ceramic Bezel Daytonas -
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    - 116500 White Daytona Panda -

    - This seems to be the most popular of all these Daytonas.

    Noob V1-V2 White 116500 -

    - Released as V1 about July of 2018 with a 316L Stainless Steel case.
    - Upgraded to V2 with a 904L case in August 2018 and the price increased by $100. Also some quality improvements to the dial.
    - The first Daytona Replica with a complete Chinese clone of the Rolex 4130 chronograph movement.

    - Sub-dials were too thick as shown in the picture below. However, the placement and outer diameter were correct.
    - The Font and Scale of the Bezel "UNITS PER HOUR" was wrong. The "R"s have an incorrect serif that is easy to see.

    Noob V2.2 White 116500 -

    - The 904L V2 case was released in August 2018 and this Updated "V2.2" dial was released in February of 2019.

    - The Thickness of the Sub-dials now appears to be almost the same as Gen, as shown in the picture below.
    - Quality of the Dial and Bezel was said to be improved, But the Font and Scale of the Bezel "UNITS PER HOUR" was still wrong.

    - V2.2 is not an official Version name with the Noob Factory or with the Dealers in China. It is just a name started and used on this forum to easily and consistently label a new Updated dial.

    Noob V3 White 116500 -

    - Released as V3 in September of 2019 with a new Bezel that appears very close to Gen.
    - The new revised Bezel appears to be the only change for this V3 release.


    Most people who have a White Panda Dial Noob Daytona are very happy with them, and very, very happy with the 4130 movement.

    The two major complaints with the V1 and V2 versions were the Sub-dial thickness and the Font on the Bezel.

    - Noob fixed the Sub-dial thickness with an Updated "V2.2" dial in February of 2019. For the White Panda dial the difference was slight, but the Sub-dial thickness is now about the same as Gen. Many people complained about the Sub-dial thickness for a long time, so it is still questioned by some, even though it was fixed over six months ago.

    - With the recent V3 release, Noob finally fixed the "UNITS PER HOUR" font on the Ceramic Bezel and it too now appears very close to Gen. The Clean Factory has also released an excellent quality replacement Ceramic Bezel to update older version Noobs or for people who believe the quality or durability of the new V3 Bezel isn't good enough.

    Minor complaints by some are the details and overall quality of the Dial and the Bracelet when compared directly with an ARF Daytona. This has been the subject of much debate, but again most people are very happy with the White Panda Dial Noob Daytona the way it is now.

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    ARF V2 White 116500 -

    - Released as V2 in August of 2018.
    - Uses a Chinese a7750 movement. The Sub-dials at 3 and 9 are non-functional.
    - Slightly thicker than the Noob or a Gen.
    - The Rolex logo and other Lettering is slighty better than the Noob.
    - Higher quality dial in the details than the Noob, but the sub-dials do appear very slightly thinner than Gen..
    - High quality bezel that is very close to Gen.

    - Some have combined the Dial, Bezel, and Bracelet Clasp from this ARF with a Noob to achieve a better looking end result.

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    - Disclaimer -
    - This comparison is based on a large collection of hi-resolution pictures that I have saved while studying these Daytona watches for over a year.
    - All of the pictures have been carefully leveled, sized, and aligned. I also added red guide lines to help compare the Sub-dial sizes.
    - Any opinions that I have added are just my opinions. I am not trying to tell you what to buy or how to think.
    - My intention is to provide clear, accurate pictures that you can compare, study, and use to make your own decisions.

    - Yes, this comparison is nit-picking small details that most people will never see on the wrist, and some larger details that only some will ever be able to see.
    ​​​​​​​- All of these sharp, magnified pictures are just making it more interesting for some to see just how close these Replicas are getting to Genuine watches.



    Black Dial Daytonas coming in the next post -

    Last edited by M Scott; 02-10-19, 19:17.

  • Mark1937
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  • Mark1937
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    M Scott you are the best! You are the guru!

    Now Noob is mounting the same dial on both the black 116500 and the black 116520.
    Compared to mine (V3s which right thickness counters) Noob produced the new Dial 116500/116520 with the more mirrored counters.
    Result:
    - 116520 mirrored right but thickness and written font wrong.
    - 116500 thickness and written font right but really too mirrored counters.
    In addition, counter at 3 o'clock has the correct font only for 116520.
    Last edited by Mark1937; 22-06-20, 21:07.

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  • M Scott
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    Actually, no one has really gotten a replica 116500 Black Dial right yet.

    The Gen 116520 Black Dials had Sub-dials that were almost as shinny as the Case and the Hands. This lack of contrast between the Hands and Sub-dials made the watch more difficult to read at a glance. So when the Black Dial 116500 was designed, Rolex made the Sub-dials thinner and gave them more of a matte silver finish.

    - The Noob V1 and V2 Black Dials both had Sub-dials that were way too thick and too shinny.
    - The V2.2 Black Dials had Sub-dials that were about the thickness of a Gen 116520 and just as shinny. Better, but still wrong.
    - Some Noob V3s have the old thick Sub-dialed V1-V2 Black Dials. A step back and really wrong.
    - The latest V3 (V3.2?) does finally have the correct Sub-dial thickness, but they are still much too shinny as described above.

    - The ARF V1 and V2 Black Dials have more of a matte silver finish than the Noobs, but they are still slightly shinier than a Gen.
    - The ARF 116500 Black Dial Sub-dials are also slightly thicker than a Gen.

    A Genuine 116500 Panda, 116520 White Dial, and 116520 Black Dial have Sub-dials that are all the same thickness.
    Only the 116500 Ceramic Bezel Black Dial has slightly thinner Sub-dials that these other three Gen Daytonas.

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  • tiktok43
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    yep - current batch of white dial - has the super slim ones. Was also advised by TDs that black is ok currently

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  • tiktok43
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    yep - current batch of white dial - has the super slim ones. Was also advised by TDs that black is ok currently

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  • Robi01
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    Originally posted by gravec View Post
    So does every v3 atm does have that problem?
    This means u can´t get a decent clone rn....
    You can but black dial

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  • MadWatcher
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    That seems to be the case right now.

    I got QC pics in March and it was still the correct size sub dials. At that time there was 2 different size sub dials V3, one gen like size and the other was thicker.

    About a month later we started seeing the super thin sub dial V3 posted here and it hasn't stopped since.

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  • gravec
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    So does every v3 atm does have that problem?
    This means u can´t get a decent clone rn....

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  • dom1986
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    Originally posted by gravec View Post
    Hello guys,
    I have a short question regardings the sub dials, my TD offered me the following watch,. I am worried, since I read so much about too thin dials that I am getting either paranoid, or are the sub dials really thin on this one? It is a noob v3 btw.


    Too thin version, I passed one the other week received it and honestly the watch is fantastic but I sold as I couldn't be jacked switching the dial to an ARF. it's the only real tell on the watch, a big one though IMO.

    Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

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  • Robi01
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    Noob made this thin subdials only on white dial so they can sell more black dials lol

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  • gravec
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    Thanks !

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  • Mark1937
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    Originally posted by gravec View Post
    Hello guys,
    I have a short question regardings the sub dials, my TD offered me the following watch,. I am worried, since I read so much about too thin dials that I am getting either paranoid, or are the sub dials really thin on this one? It is a noob v3 btw.


    Too thin bro! This is really wrong

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  • gravec
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    Hello guys,
    I have a short question regardings the sub dials, my TD offered me the following watch,. I am worried, since I read so much about too thin dials that I am getting either paranoid, or are the sub dials really thin on this one? It is a noob v3 btw.



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  • roadtofreedom
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    RF v2, it's a no brainer.

    In case you do not use the crono, ARF v2 all the way

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