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    Review of ZZF New Sub 116610 LN and Comparison vs. Gen, ARF, Noob and Nail (PART II)

    Hello guys,

    After a few days preparation, I finally can post this PART II review and comparison now.
    Sorry for the long waiting to you all.
    If someone has not seen the PART I before, here is the link below:
    https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...nd-nail-part-i

    And at the beginning, I still want to say that we will keep the objective attitude as a dealer, just because we will be happy if you'd like to buy no matter what factory version of these watches from us. If anything I said is not proper, please just correct me.

    So, let's get down to the PART II review now.



    Materials for the Review



    Definition of Front Glass

    We used a white color A4 paper as the background for the comparison. After the comparison all 4 factories are pretty much the same, only a very tiny slight difference among each other.
    ZZF and Nail might be a very little bit better.

    And according to ZZF explained, its front sapphire is using double sided AR coating make the crystal clearer. As single sided AR coating can increase 25% more definition and double sided AR coating can increase 50% more definition.



    Thickness of Front Glass

    Well, I have to say all 4 factories did almost a same job on this.

    As ZZF said, the genuine glass thickness is exact 2.0mm and it's usual that there is small thicker difference within 0.05mm when producing a rep sapphire. And the thickness of the sapphire may affect the cyclops halo effect.



    Laser Crown at 6 Position

    I'd like to say none of these 4 factories did a good job on this, compare with genuine.
    And it seems that ARF looks even better than genuine as it has a very clear "Crown" shape there. I am not sure how to define this, and asking someone else can give us a guide lol.





    Rehaut Close View

    Yes, many of our members already have spotted it from PART I review and pictures from our website.
    And we all can tell from the picture above, the rehaut engraving on the new ZZF sub is not aligned well, especially at the 6 position it's very obvious.

    And about the building tech, ZZF, ARF and Nail are all using laser to make the engraving. Noob is the only one using corrosion tech to make the engraving even though it is good at the looking appearance.









    Ceramic Insert View

    We already did a comparison about insert in the PART I review, and these pictures above were taken under natural daylight, so I think it might help more for you to define which one is better.

    And from the back side of the insert, we can know that the genuine, ZZF and ARF are friction fitted, Noob and Nail are using glue fitted.





    Steel Bezel View

    ZZF is using Clean Factory V2 bezel set as I have mentioned in PART I review, and the fitting method is same like the genuine.

    About the bezel teeth, I think you all can tell from the picture.
    Noob teeth is too small and is the only one seems too far different from the gen.







    Bezel Assembly

    As we have already sold so many ARF and Noob subs before, we have noticed that the feeling of turning bezel can not be close to the gen.
    After we teared those rep watches apart, I think you might already know why the feeling can not be close to gen.
    Like the pictures showed, ARF and Noob are using a rounded tiny screw on the holding spring, and Nail's little screw is not even very rounded.
    ZZF is the only one using a tiny ball on the spring, so the feeling of turning bezel will be the closest to genuine even though there is still little different feeling I felt personally there.





























    Bracelet and Clasp View

    Here are some bracelet and clasp comparison pictures above. Hope that we didn't miss some details you want to see.

    We have tried ARF bracelet and ZZF bracelet to fit on the gen case, both can fit on well.
    And we were guessing that Noob and Nail are using the same bracelet factory or supplier, as we can see the same "ST9" code and almost the same details, but it's only a guessing though.

    After a careful comparison, I think ARF makes the best rep bracelet among these 4 rep watches.



    Pearl View under Daylight



    ZZF Pearl Structure

    We have teared ZZF pearl apart from its steel pedestal and we found that there is a tiny curved space on the back side of the pearl sapphire.
    From Clean Factory told, it is very hard to make that on a tiny pearl sapphire and it will give the pearl a more 3D effect. The Luminova material is filled into this tiny curved space on the back side of the pearl sapphire instead, which requires very experienced tech as well. And because the pearl is also friction fitted on the pedestal, they said they will need to make sure that there is a very tiny gap like 0.05mm between the Luminova material and the edge of the sapphire, in case of breaking the Luminova when press the pearl on its pedestal. And as it is friction fitted without any glue, so this structure avoid the chemical reaction between Luminova and glue, in other words the color of the pearl can stay the same for a long time.



    Dial Front View

    ZZF dial is the only one has the rounded effect both on center hole and date window edge.





    Dial Printing View

    Maybe it's not fair that we compare all these 4 reps to a 2018/2019 new gen sub on this part, because all of them were made in different timing.
    But the Rolex printing tech is keeping the same for years as we were told, especially we can define it on the font of downside 4 lines of words, fatter font for SUBMARINER and thinner font for other 3 lines. From the picture, ZZF and Nail will be closer to genuine at this part.







    ZZF Hand Stack and Hand View

    Firstly, I want to say sorry to everyone that we indeed did take some pictures of every versions' hands but something wrong happened and it seems that we lost those pictures. So we only have the ZZF hands picture posted.

    But from our comparison, I'd like to say that ARF hands are the best with a better 3D effect and ZZF has the correct solid hand hole.


    Well, some more ZZF details as below will be the end of this review, as I am really tired of typing anymore at the moment.



    ZZF Lume Effect vs. Gen View







    ZZF Triangle Marker and Rectangle Markers





    ZZF Dial View


    OK, hope you will like this review and comparison we did.

    Well, like what I said at the beginning of this topic, as a dealer, we will try to keep a objective attitude on this topic, and we will be happy to serve our members a good service as well.

    Sorry for the advertisement again, here is our website link: jtime.cc and everyone will be welcomed to have a look. ZZF sub is open for pre order now as well.

    And we will keep bringing more review and comparison on other models here in the future I suppose. Just keep in touch.

    Thank you all for the comments and thoughts sharing about all these watches, I believe what your posts will make our community a better place to hang out with as well.

    Cheer!


    All the best
    Li

    Jtime Watch
    Last edited by jtimewatch; 02-01-20, 16:25.
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    #2
    Thank you so much for the detailed review!
    - Rolemars -

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      #3
      Keep the:
      - crystal
      - bezel
      - insert
      you have the best rep parts here.

      Check ARF hands and clasp - those are the best.

      Side profile of the SEL looks good, but we can judge the SEL once a bracelet is installed on the case.
      And you know ZZF case (cgs and rehaut) is not very impressive.
      For the frankens we need a good 3135 case, like Noob case.

      Can you make the markers more rounded in v2?

      Thanks for the photos.

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        #4
        This made me love my ARF even more lol! Crown is better then gen, but isn't gen like hhaha

        Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

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          #5
          When are the ZZF sub's going to be available? Has the factory given you a time frame?

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            #6
            Originally posted by jtimewatch View Post




            Rehaut Close View

            Yes, many of our members already have spotted it from PART I review and pictures from our website.
            And we all can tell from the picture above, the rehaut engraving on the new ZZF sub is not aligned well, especially at the 6 position it's very obvious.

            And about the building tech, ZZF, ARF and Nail are all using laser to make the engraving. Noob is the only one using corrosion tech to make the engraving even though it is good at the looking appearance.

            Hey, is there any reason you have no dial on ZZF case when showing the rehaut?

            Also there is no polished edge on the rehaut. I'd suggest scraping the current ZZF cases and contact/pay smoke in order to reach the "best sub" levels.
            Last edited by Asmodeus; 24-05-19, 03:49.
            Everything's for sale, I got 5 passports, I'm never going to jail!

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              #7
              Font on the ZZF rehaut for the serial is all wrong. It looks terrible. Same Chinese roman font used on every instruction manual for cheap goods. I would like to see some case / CG and lug shots as well.

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                #8
                It's unfortunate the case and crown height and CG's will never be correct because you are using the A2836. This day and age of Noob's awesome 4130 and ARF's SH-3135 and VRF's VR-3135, insisting on the A2836 is just sad. But thanks for your awesome effort in this comparison thread, OP.

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                  #9
                  Thank you for the time you spent on this, it really helps.

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                    #10
                    Thank you for doing this

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                      #11
                      Nice job, really!
                      i don't care if you are affiliated or in bed with zzf or not - this comparison is awesome - Thanks for that!

                      ​​​​​Also, this reminds me once again to restructure my business. Have a perfect product but split it up in like 6 products under different brand names, each using just one perfect part of the original product. 6 times the profit. Genius.

                      No, really, give me a 3135 noob case with djf xtal, nail dial, zzf bezel / insert and arf bracelet. Or something like that.

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                        #12
                        A commendable effort on the comparison, a little less inclined review of ZZF as compared to the part 1 review!! I still feel ARF is best OOTB and Noob V9 best to franken!!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Itto View Post
                          Nice job, really!
                          i don't care if you are affiliated or in bed with zzf or not - this comparison is awesome - Thanks for that!

                          ​​​​​Also, this reminds me once again to restructure my business. Have a perfect product but split it up in like 6 products under different brand names, each using just one perfect part of the original product. 6 times the profit. Genius.

                          No, really, give me a 3135 noob case with djf xtal, nail dial, zzf bezel / insert and arf bracelet. Or something like that.
                          Bingo on the business model restructuring

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by palaufreak View Post
                            This made me love my ARF even more lol! Crown is better then gen, but isn't gen like hhaha

                            Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
                            hahaha, I was a little bit shocked as well when I saw ARF is making a best looking laser crown than gen, even though it's not gen like.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by BlakeDrinkHard View Post
                              When are the ZZF sub's going to be available? Has the factory given you a time frame?
                              It is for pre order now, from the information I have that we will get the first batch back within approximately 10 days from now on.
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                              Please visit our website for more info by click HERE
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