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    SEL - Solid End Link - Comprehensive Guide & FAQ

    Howdy Friend


    So I created this thread as a guide to the elusively recessed, tight, curvy and symmetric… SEL! Now before we get started a quick disclaimer; whilst I hold myself ultimately accountable for what I write, I’m still some guy on the internet who is going to combine some facts with his opinions. I will aim to provide knowledge but also wisdom, (as much as I have to offer anyway, which is to say not nearly as much as many members here).


    Knowledge is really about facts and ideas that we acquire through study, research, investigation, observation, or experience. Wisdom is the ability to discern and judge which aspects of that knowledge are true, right, lasting, and applicable to your Rolex!


    Therefore much what I will say here may be contrary to some people's opinions. That is a good thing! Please feel free to disagree and voice this, but if you see this as #roastme just be prepared to be roasted back

    Also - I have used some pictures from various members on here - Thank you. If you would like me to remove the picture please PM me and I will politely oblige


    First question


    Uhm... What is SEL Niko?
    Ah! Yes; if someone told me that the members of RWI are either pilots or bureaucrats I would have totally believed them! So. Many. Abbreviations. So SEL refers to Solid End Link. This is the part of the bracelet that attaches itself to the body of the watch usually with use of the Springbar!


    This is how it looks like:



    Okay… Simple enough; so why is every man and his dog going nuts about this?
    Well, truth seldom resists to simplicity and reasons there are many; but if I had to articulate it in a sentence, I would say that our Reps are getting so good that we need to nitpick the smallest flaws. SEL is the ‘biggest smallest’ flaw for a lot of folks out there. It also seems to be poorly understood by many and threads go around in repeated circles. I’m of the opinion that this is why this topic seems to be so prevalent


    So here is my first opinion, and the main opinion when it comes to this topic and I won't beat around the bush; SEL is overhyped AF and I find it very hard to emotionally comprehend members’ who decide to buy Gen 116610’s only because of their SEL’s.


    Me:


    So wait, are you saying that they are idiots and that they are wrong?
    NO! They just feel that this issue (combined with others) is worth ~8.5K to them. That’s quite alright, and I respect their position and pursuit for perfection



    So before we move on, I just want to reiterate; the SEL on your watch is as good as you think it is. If Gen Rolexes rolled off the line with lugs that were both flush and unrecessed, I have no doubt that this is what the “correct” SEL everyone would be aiming for, in which case the V5 Noob would rule the world! But it doesn’t; so lets what a ‘perfect’ SEL looks like and see how different versions of the NOOB Sub compare


    Okay, I get it. Let’s do this!
    Alright, my Padawan. 4 Points!


    1 The perfect SEL is tight. Which means that it should fit with no gaps. When you hold your watch up to the light no sunshine should be seen between the edge of the lugs and the SEL.


    2 The perfect SEL is also shorter than the Lugs. Noob V5 got this one really wrong.


    3 The perfect SEL is recessed. Which means that the SEL is submerged (at a lower level if you will) compared to the lugs. Why? It’s supposedly very pretty when it’s recessed; compared to when it’s flush - that’s when it’s ugly…


    Wait, really? Hell no! It’s just more Gen like, that is all. If you think that Rolex are muppets for having a recessed SEL and you enjoy your flush one, more power to you friend and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. I will gladly consign the gif bellow who tells you that theirs is better and you should get rid of yours because it’s not “Gen like” - there are many decisions that Rolex have made that I don’t agree with and I will get to them in the footnote bellow







    4 The curvature of the SEL follows the lugs and curves off at the end. This one is actually hard to achieve depending on your margins of error here. The recession is only a fraction of a mm and therefore an error of 0.2mm will be clearly visible. Such precision = $$$


    Let's have a look at a few examples - First up the Gen. What are we aiming for?











    Let us have a look at the Noob V5 - The least Gen-like SEL that can still be currently purchased









    So as you can see, it commits offences 2, 3, and often 4… some have gaps.


    Anyway, lets move on to V6s. This one is a bastard love child that was born a pure, and perfect as the initial batch “A”. Variables existed but perfect - genlike SELs were manufactured. Then smoke discovered the treachery. The subsequent batches “B and C” came with bracelets and inserts from the V5. He posted his findings and the rest is history… In the same way, Vietnam, Watergate or Hiroshima is history… KAAAABOOOOOOOM!


    Bellow is a typical V6s you will find. Yours may be better or worse - There is too much variance to derive anything meaningful out of what you can purchase from say a M2M deal. But as a rule the last batch of V6s is recessed (although sometimes not enough), the curve is good, and length is excellent, also the fitment is usually very good and at the time of writing is generally better than the v7 which we will get to next







    Okay V7. Excellent SEL’s exist. They are more exception than the rule. V7 gets everything right but the recession is too shallow and sometimes can be mistaken for almost being flush, some have SEL’s that have gaps.







    Lastly, let's have a look at a couple of examples of sub-optimal SEL fitment




    Footnote - mostly irrelevant but I had the need to say it: As you can see it’s overall a simple issue that has some depth. Whether it’s something that is important is for you to decide. What I will say is that my V6s Hulk features a 2XAR crystal - which in my opinion Rolex should have manufactured the watch with. That’s right, I paid money. Good money, to make my Noob V6s less genlike because I feel Rolex engineers are wrong, and it’s the greatest shame that the starburst is half the time hidden behind the glare.


    So I replaced it. It’s gorgeous and this is all I care about. I was offered a Gen Hulk Dial for pennies, I turned it down - I like the rep one more (shinier! I like shiny!). I bought the V7 insert because it’s a definite upgrade over the V6s (I would have bought the gen, but I don’t have a GDP of a small country to finance it) - And I still stut my way like this:







    Enjoy your watches and don’t let these small issues get the best of you. The reality for vast majority here is that if you stay away from AD’s whilst wearing, lets face it your Fake AF Rolex (and you should) your rep will never be called out, no matter how unresessed your SEL may be. And for the 0.000001% of you who will, Jannice in Accounting is an excellent role model on what to do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8HpQZUF2OY

















    Kids! When commenting on views of others, consider this! From Snow White's perspective the old peddler woman was totally legit. She gave her an apple and told her to make a wish. Next thing she knows, the Prince is there to take her "away" and she is surrounded by her friends rejoicing

    #2
    SEL = Solid end links

    DUH!
    Why you need to wind your automatic watches!

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      #3
      Originally posted by KBH, post: 2978719
      SEL = Solid end links

      DUH!
      Uh! 2am here... I'll blame it on that
      Kids! When commenting on views of others, consider this! From Snow White's perspective the old peddler woman was totally legit. She gave her an apple and told her to make a wish. Next thing she knows, the Prince is there to take her "away" and she is surrounded by her friends rejoicing

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        #4
        @kilowattore Can you please change the title to Solid (instead of stainless). I got too excited when I hit the post button
        Kids! When commenting on views of others, consider this! From Snow White's perspective the old peddler woman was totally legit. She gave her an apple and told her to make a wish. Next thing she knows, the Prince is there to take her "away" and she is surrounded by her friends rejoicing

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          #5
          Sorry, I don't have permissions here
          Maybe [MENTION=42327]Raddave[/MENTION] [MENTION=70346]xj4sonx[/MENTION] can help here?

          Great post btw
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            #6
            Word UP. Thank you for this special thread

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              #7
              Originally posted by kilowattore, post: 2978737
              Sorry, I don't have permissions here
              Maybe @Raddave @xj4sonx can help here?

              Great post btw


              i kind of like the stainless end link......they are stainless after all......:P

              title changed as directed

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                #8
                I must admit I was a bit tempted to just roll with the title and start a slow revolution. Thank you [MENTION=42327]Raddave[/MENTION]
                Kids! When commenting on views of others, consider this! From Snow White's perspective the old peddler woman was totally legit. She gave her an apple and told her to make a wish. Next thing she knows, the Prince is there to take her "away" and she is surrounded by her friends rejoicing

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by nikoel, post: 2978751
                  I must admit I was a bit tempted to just roll with the title and start a slow revolution. Thank you @Raddave

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Nice job - thanks!

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                      #11
                      Nice write up man. Things like this that are easy to search for are what makes this place so valuable. Good break down of what to look for- now people don't have to ask (although they will anyway)


                      Sent from the RWI mobile app

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                        #12
                        [MENTION=121533]nikoel[/MENTION] This is a great thread! Cheers.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by nikoel, post: 2978709
                          Howdy Friend


                          So I created this thread as a guide to the elusively recessed, tight, curvy and symmetric… SEL! Now before we get started a quick disclaimer; whilst I hold myself ultimately accountable for what I write, I’m still some guy on the internet who is going to combine some facts with his opinions. I will aim to provide knowledge but also wisdom, (as much as I have to offer anyway, which is to say not nearly as much as many members here).


                          Knowledge is really about facts and ideas that we acquire through study, research, investigation, observation, or experience. Wisdom is the ability to discern and judge which aspects of that knowledge are true, right, lasting, and applicable to your Rolex!


                          Therefore much what I will say here may be contrary to some people's opinions. That is a good thing! Please feel free to disagree and voice this, but if you see this as #roastme just be prepared to be roasted back

                          Also - I have used some pictures from various members on here - Thank you. If you would like me to remove the picture please PM me and I will politely oblige


                          First question


                          Uhm... What is SEL Niko?
                          Ah! Yes; if someone told me that the members of RWI are either pilots or bureaucrats I would have totally believed them! So. Many. Abbreviations. So SEL refers to Solid End Link. This is the part of the bracelet that attaches itself to the body of the watch usually with use of the Springbar!


                          This is how it looks like:



                          Okay… Simple enough; so why is every man and his dog going nuts about this?
                          Well, truth seldom resists to simplicity and reasons there are many; but if I had to articulate it in a sentence, I would say that our Reps are getting so good that we need to nitpick the smallest flaws. SEL is the ‘biggest smallest’ flaw for a lot of folks out there. It also seems to be poorly understood by many and threads go around in repeated circles. I’m of the opinion that this is why this topic seems to be so prevalent


                          So here is my first opinion, and the main opinion when it comes to this topic and I won't beat around the bush; SEL is overhyped AF and I find it very hard to emotionally comprehend members’ who decide to buy Gen 116610’s only because of their SEL’s.


                          Me:


                          So wait, are you saying that they are idiots and that they are wrong?
                          NO! They just feel that this issue (combined with others) is worth ~8.5K to them. That’s quite alright, and I respect their position and pursuit for perfection



                          So before we move on, I just want to reiterate; the SEL on your watch is as good as you think it is. If Gen Rolexes rolled off the line with lugs that were both flush and unrecessed, I have no doubt that this is what the “correct†SEL everyone would be aiming for, in which case the V5 Noob would rule the world! But it doesn’t; so lets what a ‘perfect’ SEL looks like and see how different versions of the NOOB Sub compare


                          Okay, I get it. Let’s do this!
                          Alright, my Padawan. 4 Points!


                          1 The perfect SEL is tight. Which means that it should fit with no gaps. When you hold your watch up to the light no sunshine should be seen between the edge of the lugs and the SEL.


                          2 The perfect SEL is also shorter than the Lugs. Noob V5 got this one really wrong.


                          3 The perfect SEL is recessed. Which means that the SEL is submerged (at a lower level if you will) compared to the lugs. Why? It’s supposedly very pretty when it’s recessed; compared to when it’s flush - that’s when it’s ugly…


                          Wait, really? Hell no! It’s just more Gen like, that is all. If you think that Rolex are muppets for having a recessed SEL and you enjoy your flush one, more power to you friend and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. I will gladly consign the gif bellow who tells you that theirs is better and you should get rid of yours because it’s not “Gen like†- there are many decisions that Rolex have made that I don’t agree with and I will get to them in the footnote bellow







                          4 The curvature of the SEL follows the lugs and curves off at the end. This one is actually hard to achieve depending on your margins of error here. The recession is only a fraction of a mm and therefore an error of 0.2mm will be clearly visible. Such precision = $$$


                          Let's have a look at a few examples - First up the Gen. What are we aiming for?











                          Let us have a look at the Noob V5 - The least Gen-like SEL that can still be currently purchased









                          So as you can see, it commits offences 2, 3, and often 4… some have gaps.


                          Anyway, lets move on to V6s. This one is a bastard love child that was born a pure, and perfect as the initial batch “Aâ€. Variables existed but perfect - genlike SELs were manufactured. Then smoke discovered the treachery. The subsequent batches “B and C†came with bracelets and inserts from the V5. He posted his findings and the rest is history… In the same way, Vietnam, Watergate or Hiroshima is history… KAAAABOOOOOOOM!


                          Bellow is a typical V6s you will find. Yours may be better or worse - There is too much variance to derive anything meaningful out of what you can purchase from say a M2M deal. But as a rule the last batch of V6s is recessed (although sometimes not enough), the curve is good, and length is excellent, also the fitment is usually very good and at the time of writing is generally better than the v7 which we will get to next







                          Okay V7. Excellent SEL’s exist. They are more exception than the rule. V7 gets everything right but the recession is too shallow and sometimes can be mistaken for almost being flush, some have SEL’s that have gaps.







                          Lastly, let's have a look at a couple of examples of sub-optimal SEL fitment




                          Footnote - mostly irrelevant but I had the need to say it: As you can see it’s overall a simple issue that has some depth. Whether it’s something that is important is for you to decide. What I will say is that my V6s Hulk features a 2XAR crystal - which in my opinion Rolex should have manufactured the watch with. That’s right, I paid money. Good money, to make my Noob V6s less genlike because I feel Rolex engineers are wrong, and it’s the greatest shame that the starburst is half the time hidden behind the glare.


                          So I replaced it. It’s gorgeous and this is all I care about. I was offered a Gen Hulk insert for pennies, I turned it down - I like the rep one more (shinier! I like shiny!). I bought the V7 insert because it’s a definite upgrade over the V6s (I would have bought the gen, but I don’t have a GDP of a small country to finance it) - And I still stut my way like this:







                          Enjoy your watches and don’t let these small issues get the best of you. The reality for vast majority here is that if you stay away from AD’s whilst wearing, lets face it your Fake AF Rolex (and you should) your rep will never be called out, no matter how unresessed your SEL may be. And for the 0.000001% of you who will, Jannice in Accounting is an excellent role model on what to do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8HpQZUF2OY

















                          Nice post mate .really good info to help the noobies

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                            #14
                            Great post. Thanks

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                              #15
                              noice.

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