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A good watchsmith would be able to machine anything you need to repair your reps. But I also like the way you think!
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I need new watchsmiths. I need new machinists too while I’m at it.
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這款高仿P.9000機芯在整體方案中依舊採用甲板機芯，升級部分主要來自基礎機芯的升級。 以往高仿P.9000機芯的基本機芯多為上海7750或海鷗ST25機芯。 不過這款新款P.9000機芯的基本機芯是日本精工生產的23鑽。 機芯通過齒輪的改造，實現了正品P.9000機芯的日曆效果和上弦效果。
這款高仿P.9000機芯在整體方案中依舊採用甲板機芯，升級部分主要來自基礎機芯的升級。 以往高仿P.9000機芯的基本機芯多為上海7750或海鷗ST25機芯。 不過這款新款P.9000機芯的基本機芯是日本精工生產的23鑽。 機芯通過齒輪的改造，實現了正品P.9000機芯的日曆效果和上弦效果。
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i use google translate [h=2]VS factory Panerai P9000 movement market background introduction[/h] 17 years ago, the market share of Panerai replica watches has been monopolized by the KW factory and the ZF factory, because the kw factory has been focusing on the research and development of Panerai replica watches, and 10 years ago, kw there were many models of watches. It was contracted and sold to the zf factory, which led to this situation. Because of the high after-sales cost of the latter two, the zf factory and the kw factory canceled their cooperation, and zf also started the development of Panerai replica watches and it was out of control.
In the 13 to 16 years, the products of the two companies are comparable, but because the zf factory has a wide network of people, the Panerai of the zf factory is more popular. Although many technologies are copied from kw, the sales volume of contacts is very high, especially Panerai 441, whose sales are above kw, which makes the promoters of kw factory very annoyed. Under this condition, the shell or literal It’s difficult to open the gap with the upgrade of the watch, and this watch often has problems in the movement factory, that is, it is very easy to drop the automatic hammer. If you want to bridge the gap, the best way is to upgrade the movement and make it into an integrated movement, but this is a very difficult task. Upgrading the integrated movement was only 3135 before, but it was a movement with a high failure rate. As a result, the kw factory has invested a lot of money, and after more than three years of research and development, and constantly revised data and accessories, successfully developed the stable functions p9000 integrated movement with .
After the movement was successfully developed, kw, in order to market from a higher perspective, fully released this movement to the brand-new brand VS factory , so that the VS factory became a hit. At the same time, with this movement, the VS factory The first to launch Panerai 441, won all the 441 replica watch market, and take this opportunity to successively put dozens of new Panerai replica watches such as 320, 359, 351, 382, etc. into the market. , Thus monopolizing the market of Panerai replica watches in one fell swoop, next, let's take a look at this integrated p9000 movement that laid the foundation for the VS factory.
[h=2]Panerai P9000 movement introduction[/h] Panerai is a famous watch brand originated from Italy. It was originally a watch factory that produced naval diving watches and instruments. If you are not a friend who likes watches, you probably have never heard of this brand. When Panerai joined the Richemont Group in 1997, it did not produce self-made movements in the early days, but purchased movements from movement factories or high-end watch factories to use. In its future development, many classic movements have been introduced. Panerai P.9000 series movement is one of them, let's let the watch family introduce it to you.
In the 2009 Geneva SIHH watch exhibition, Panerai launched the P.9000 series of automatic movements, there are three models, namely P.9000, P.9001 and P9002. The movement of this series also adopts a large-size design, with a diameter of 31.8mm and a thickness of 7.9mm. Using a larger diameter design, in addition to the design that meets the size of the large case, the specifications are similar to those of the OP III automatic movement, so that the common parts of the watch do not need to be remanufactured, which is convenient for logistical maintenance. . Although the size of the movement is similar, the specifications and design of the P.9000 series movement are quite different from the OP III automatic movement. The P.9000 adopts a double barrel design and continues the long kinetic energy concept of the previous P.2002. It has a 72-hour power reserve, which is one day longer than the 42-48 hours of a general automatic movement. Although it is only 24 hours longer, it is a very convenient design for office workers who have two days off a week.
However, the barrel design adopted by each brand is different, such as Audemars Piguet’s Cal.3120 (60 hours of energy storage), Rolex’s Cal.4130 (72 hours) and Seiko’s 9s65 (72 hours). Hours) are designed with a single barrel, while Jaeger-LeCoultre’s Cal.750 movement (65 hours), Piaget’s Cal.800P (72 hours) and Omega’s Cal.8500 movement (60 hours) are dual Clockwork design. The design of a single barrel or a double barrel naturally has its own advantages and disadvantages, but in recent years, the proportion of the double barrel design is significantly higher than that of the single barrel design.
The single barrel is designed for 42-48 hours energy storage movement, it is indeed very suitable, but when the power reserve is increased to more than 60 hours, it is easy to cause the front and rear ends of the output power, the torque difference is too large, and the operation is accurate. Degree will be affected. The structure of the double barrel is linked to each other. When the kinetic energy disappears, the barrel that is in contact with the second wheel (minute wheel) can obtain the power transmitted by the linked second barrel, so the whole The output power is more average. In addition, if you want to increase the kinetic energy in the future, as long as you extend the length of the mainspring at the same time, you can easily extend the kinetic energy time, and the expandability is also higher than that of a single barrel design.
But this is also the disadvantage of the double barrel, because the two barrels will occupy half of the area of the movement, and the other half of the space after placing the transmission train, escapement and balance with hairspring, there is no room for it. The sprocket is automatically wound, so the upper sprocket can only be placed on the barrel and gear train. This design will undoubtedly increase the thickness of the movement, but Panerai's watches are all large-size models, so the thickness of the movement is not particularly concerned.
Therefore, Panerai is equipped with a pawl-type winding system with two-way winding function between the wheel train splint and the automatic disc. It has the same design as the Magic Lever winding device of Seiko, with the automatic disc The inter-gear interaction with the winding system forces the Y-shaped pawl parts to rotate the large winding car on the barrel in a way of hooking and pushing to produce a winding effect. Through the central automatic disc with ceramic ball bearings, it can provide endless power for the barrel; currently the self-made movements produced by the Piaget and Jaeger-LeCoultre under the Richemont Group all adopt this winding system. Said to be an increasingly popular design. In addition, Panerai also uses a screw fine-tuning balance wheel design, which has been listed as standard equipment in the previous P.2000 series movement, while the P.9000 series movement uses the same design; but the original double The arm balance structure is changed to a four-arm balance wheel structure, and the shape of the support arm is changed to a special X shape, which is slightly different from the cross structure of other watch factories. Because the traditional fine-tuning device for fast and slow needles relies on the chuck at the front end of the fast and slow needles to control the running length of the hairspring, the shorter the hairspring, the faster it rotates, and the longer it is, the slower the rotation speed. Through this simple method, it can be fast Adjust the speed of travel time. However, the disadvantage of this device is that the chuck of the fast and slow needles is likely to cause damage to the structure of the hairspring, especially when the watch is hit or repaired; therefore, the same screw or weight fine-tuning device is used as the marine chronometer clock. Fix the tool for adjusting the speed of time on the balance wheel, so that the hairspring can rotate without interference, which can improve the stability of operation.
In addition, through the fine-tuning device that changes the inertia of the screw, every time the screw is turned, the fine-tuning time can be accurately estimated. Compared with the general speed needle that needs to move back and forth, it is impossible to accurately calculate the increase or decrease of the second. More precise fine-tuning tools. Take the P.9000 series screw fine-tuning balance wheel as an example. When the screw rotates outward, the required inertia of the balance wheel increases, which is higher than the energy provided by the original balance spring, so the speed will slow down; when the screw rotates inward At this time, the inertia required by the balance becomes smaller, lower than the energy provided by the original hairspring, so the speed will become faster.
The movement released together with the P.9000 automatic movement also includes two movements such as P.9001 and P.9002. Although the functions of these three movements are slightly different, they are all derived from the same foundation. the design of. They all have the function of quickly adjusting the hour hand (pull out the first paragraph of the crown), which is indeed very convenient for business people who often go abroad; and P.9001 and P.9002 have a central hand that can display the second time zone. , It is easier to watch the time of the original residence. When the third segment of the crown is pulled out, P.9000 has a second stop device, while P.9001 and P.9002 have a special second hand reset device; by hitting the heart-shaped cam under the second wheel by the reset hammer, Achieve the same zero reset effect as the chronograph, which is convenient and quick to check the time. In addition, the P.9001 movement is installed above the splint with a rotating disk and a small fan-shaped window is opened. When the window appears black, it means sufficient power, and if it appears red, it means insufficient power. The same power reserve function used in the P.9002 movement is presented on the dial in a semi-circular arc shape, and the remaining power is marked with a small pointer, which has clear characteristics.
Since the functions of the three movements are slightly different, the number of parts in the movement is also different. Among them, P.9000 has 197 parts, P.9001 has 229 parts, and P.9002 has 237 parts. Through different functions and plans, the P.9000 series of movements have a diversified look, and at the same time, they can replace many different types of general-purpose movements and improve the technology of watchmaking. It can be said to be a huge project. plan.
[h=2]In-depth interpretation of the VS factory Panerai p9000 movement[/h] The imitation P.9000 movement has been a very hot modified movement since 2009. The basic movement has been used from ST25 to 7750 series at the earliest, and dozens of different mold developers have developed the workmanship of the deck. Unique way. This is a new generation of re-engraved P.9000 movement, which was only used in a few large factories at the time, such as kw factory and zf factory. Of course, the earliest P.9000 movement for high imitation watches also started in 2009. At the same time, high imitation P. The design concept of the .9000 movement is also the originator of the most popular "deck movement" such as 8500 and PP34SC. It was first developed by the kw factory, which is to paste a p9000 deck on the basis of the basic movement.
The P.9000 movement we introduced today is a solution for a whole new generation of P.9000 movement. Mainly used for vs factory Panerai, which is different from the past A7750+ deck plan and the cheap Seagull ST25+ deck plan. This is a brand new high imitation watch plan that focuses on solving the P.9000 movement quick adjustment & callback The functional problems of time, these are impossible to have in the past scheme. Well, let's get to know this brand new high imitation P.9000 movement.
The P9000 movement of the VS factory completely solves the appearance defects of the Panerai replica watch movement, which is different from the appearance of the domestic 7750 machine. The position of the balance wheel and balance plate of the VSP9000 movement is the same as the original Panerai original/complete/complete, and the movement's stability/constancy and precision/accuracy are very high.
1. Overall detailed explanation
This high imitation P.9000 movement still uses the deck movement in the overall plan, and the upgraded part mainly comes from the upgrade of the basic movement. The basic movement of the past high imitation P.9000 movement is mostly Shanghai 7750 or Seagull ST25 movement. However, the basic movement of this new P.9000 movement is a 23-diamond produced by Japanese Seiko. The movement, after the transformation of its gears, achieves the calendar effect and winding effect of the genuine P.9000 movement.
2. Detailed explanation
After 5 years of groping for the high imitation P.9000 movement, the details of the deck have been very thorough. The deck of this P.9000 movement adopts the same etching and coloring process as the original one, that is, the movement is first The panel is engraved, and then filled with the proofreading blue pigment to achieve a better effect of the movement board. At the same time, the useless decorative screws on the movement board are no longer attached to the movement board. Instead, use real short screws for fixing. This movement is widely used in vs factory Panerai
Three, travel time test
This new high-imitation P.9000 movement is still very malleable in terms of travel time. After calibration, the daily trajectory is very stable, and the performance on the swing is also very good.
Four, function introduction
At present, the Panerai p9000 movement of the VS factory has been upgraded to the second-generation product, the second-generation movement v3 version, the pointer can be adjusted quickly, and the upgraded version has the same functions as the original product. The calendar cannot be adjusted quickly, and the function is the same as the original one. The GMT needle cannot be adjusted quickly, and it will go around once in 12 hours. The similarity has been increased from 85% to 95%, and the appearance details are closer to the original authentic. The position of the balance wheel of the movement is truly consistent with the original product. The new movement developed by new technology is stable and reduces the repair problems such as sneak stopping. In fact, the problem of sneak stopping or automatic hammer falling off of the previous 7750 movement has been solved. Greatly reduced.
[FONT=微软雅黑]In order to be able to develop more models of replica watches based on the p9000 movement, the VS factory has successively developed p9001, 9010 and other movement models with the same basic functions and different digital models or parts. The movement of this VS factory is relatively a third-generation re-engraved movement, but it is not all an integrated movement. After all, it is partly revised in the structure of a mature movement. Just like Omega's 8800 movement, its base is still the 2892 movement, but the barrel and the non-card hairspring are all redesigned. [/FONT]
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I often wonder where hwf gets their movements these days. Maybe there's a chance that some HWF movement parts will help keep discontinued PAM models alive.
Edit: it looks like they use ETA handwinding clones with no date.
Edit: it looks like they use ETA handwinding clones with no date.
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