whtat that hell is the swan neck regulator?

[cubichete]

sorry to bother the xperts but i started to like panerai after i have being getting rolexs and i dont know what is the swan neck regulator any kind person will post a picture so i undernstand thanks also whta is that problem with the reccesed crown tube,i being reading in the forum ,thanks

 

[hooligan]

The cannon pin problem/fix is explained here in great detail by our very own Enzo:

http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtop ... in+problem

Swan neck regulator explained here:

http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtop ... +regulator

I found both of these by using the search function in the blue bar at the top of the forum. :wink:

 

[babola]

And just to add spanner in the works, the tip of the cannon pinnion on genuine PAMs is dead flat, on replicas (even with upgraded ones) its slightly round...not something common Joe Bloggs will spot, but for us that know...well it's there . The flat ones I've never seen in the wild as spares, and I believe they're made specifically for or by Panerai themselves to keep that "boldness" and simplicity of the hands, and to blend nicely with the rest of the simplistic dial.

As for the swan-neck, Enzo said it all, and for what I care it's just a hook for some of us with an extra attention to detaill and aspiration for the mov't closeness to the original design - and don't forget most of the S/N add-ons are cosmetic, and lot of those that are being sold as "workin/adjustable" are actually not !

I had a PAM111H with supposedly "working" S/neck, that didn't work as the adjustment screw will overshot the needle - it was just installed too high, and impossible to fix unless the new S/N was installed in its place.

If I were you, I'd ignore the whole S/N obsession, have a look at those prime PAM examples from Davidsen for example, he couldn't care less for S/N, and his watches are exceptional to boot !

Stay well,
babola

 

[babola]

You need to market for OP mate, I'd say it's more like, Guido and his "magic file" that gets the task of making them flat! [seriously, I am sure they have a step to take down the shape off of ETA stock parts.] Observed closely these watches are probably loaded with small details of after-ETA detail finishes. The custom bridges, the added Swan, all things - elabore - to justify the price in the end ... "Hey, we file down the Cannon Pin! Of course our watch is worth every penny ... " It's a common practice in watchmaking to do all sorts of hand finish touches on watches - movements especially. And such a small detail does make the face of the watch look more unique - think of the imagination that thought that small detail out ...

You can take the conical top down flat [that in itself would be a task without good tooling], the other issue I would see is taking it down too much and creating your own CANNON RECESS PIN effect on a perfectly good Cannon pin! That would cause a very purple passage :shock:

Thanks Enzo

:lol: I'd say it's more like Hans than Guido these days, Guido used to be a part of the design and some fine touch-up decision making processes in the past and only time will tell how well will "guido's" legacy be continued in hands of a relatively new owner...so far so good, if I may say so

I totally agree with you on ETA finishing touches...I believe there's at least as many as 10-20 mods done to those raw 6497 movements, some big and easily noticeable, some much finer and invisible to most people.
I guess in few years or so only the base plate and some major hard_to_reproduce ETA parts will still make up these movements...all the rest will be Panerai in-house add-ons for cosmetic purposes. The way they started with their first in-house 8-day movement, I guess it's a safe bet. I'm sure they will continue making Historical pieces well in the future...who knows they may even come up with their own Manual handwind mov't for those

Ha, I never tried filing the pin myself, but I guess if I do, the tube on minute hand will have to go down from 0.45 to some 0.4 or even smaller, do you think ? How would that affect the whole minute hand stability is anybody's guess...

cheers,
babola

 

[Klink]

belief is the best thing
knowledge is to be avoided...

LOL

what the mind of man can conceive,
the counterfeiter can achieve...

 

[Klink]

sorta subliminal x-rated thingy

round and round it goes, and nobody knows

if is CN or is OP or is Swish...

pameristi wis will call u out..

how many of them walk around asking

to see back of watch?

 

[MET-Rx]

pameristi wis will call u out..

how many of them walk around asking

to see back of watch?

What Klink? You don't have the swan neck police where you live? :lol:

First time is a warning, second a fine for having a rep in a GEN ONLY zone! :shock:

 

[babola]

I "noticed" this one the other day ... LOOK at the Regulator's 'needle' the shape specifically ... thin waist, broad centre, if you think you have seen that shape before, it's a parody of their Sub-Second hands ... bloody clever.

Ahhh, after so long, a pic of the gen Swiss mov't from '02 - '04 PAM period. Just look at those perfectly finished bridges, engravings, that unmistakeable ETA 6497 flywheel of that period...the swan neck tip...the perfect "squeeze of the regulator needle between the regulator screw and the S/N tip...ahhh...my head will explode ...

"Hey rep makers ! Can you not see the correct reg needle shape ! How hard is it to replicate that !!!??? "

Enzo, this is what I've been banging about - just look at the reg needle thickness and height, it perfectly matches the height of the S/N tip....well who knows, maybe one day rep makers notice this and get it right...eventually... :roll:

The reg needle "roundness" in the middle was I believe specifically made for the better reg screw grip and push at the righ angle at 90 degrees. The pointy needle rep makers normally use tends to push the needle at wide angle...maybe I'm wrong but my senses tell me I could be onto something here I actually wonder if any of those "adjustable" S/N regs is actually functional in those reps...

cheers,
babola

 

[dangerman]

Thank heaven for this thread. I've been wondering about this goose neck and recessed pin thing for a long since I started learning about reps a couple of weeks back. Learning new stuff every day.

 

[babola]

Thank heaven for this thread. I've been wondering about this goose neck and recessed pin thing for a long since I started learning about reps a couple of weeks back. Learning new stuff every day.

At your service Dangerman 8)

Just don't get too hung up on our blubber...some of us are more infected with this desease than others :wink:

cheers,
babola