New "Fat Arrow" movement discussion

[OldeCrow]

ok I thought this might be interesting since they are showing up now and there is some debate about just what the he|| they are.

It turns out the triangle shaped spokes on the balance wheel don't mean anything more than this is a 6487-2 it could still be a Swiss one! I wouldn't be supprised to see the Swiss -1 movements get the triangle spoked wheel as an upgrade since the genuine Pams have this style of balance wheel.

It has a half pallet bridge instead of a full pallet bridge, as I understand it some of the older Pam movements had a half pallet bridge but not this model so this is not correct but an "A" for effort is in order!

If you look under the top right inside edge of the balance wheel you can clearly see a model number and hallmark which the Chinese have historically not copied when reproducing movements and since the genuine Pam movement wouldn't have had a Unitas model number it doesn't make much since to do it anyway.

I am inclined to belive these are modified Swiss movements but without getting one myself I won't know for sure.

Anybody else have more insight or information on these?

 

[pugwash]

These movements have a design flaw.

Ziggy has gone into this in depth on RWG, but the precis is that the hairspring gets caught and buggers up the movement. The cock (the bit with one screw - if it has two, it's called a bridge) should be a bridge.

The conclusion is that they may not even be Swiss and that the ETA logo is a 'replica'.

 

[Roeod4]

So it is believed that this is a:

Chinese Copy "Unitas" 6497-2 with Working Swan Neck, Fat Arrow and True Enraved Bridge

But it could be a

Swiss ETA "Unitas" 6497-2 with Working Swan Neck, Fat Arrow and True Enraved Bridge

Either way it is still a

"Unitas" 6497-2 with Working Swan Neck, Fat Arrow and True Enraved Bridge, but Minus one Bridge that is Replaced with a Cock

Am I undertanding this right?

Man I don't want to see any of those titles in a for sale thread.

 

[OldeCrow]

Here you can see the part in question, you will notice that it is "U" shaped on the regular movements but on the fat arrow models the outside half of the "U" is gone. this would be normal on the Pre Vendome movements that looked like the base 6497 but panerai went back to the full pallet bridge again in the Pre A movemets

Photo stolen from Eddie Lee!

 

[OldeCrow]

Thanks for the info Pugwash! I wandered over to RWG and had a look. I seem to remember that he had similar problems with hairsprings on some of the other models too so that alone is probably not enough to worry me but The pictures he has over there clearly show the ETA hallmark on a China movement with fake lot numbers and model numbers on it!

What is interesting about that is that the Chinese are making a copy of a fake by putting the ETA hallmark on a Panerai movement they have copied a fake one with the eta movement. [smilie=sign10.gif]

 

[seank]

Thanks for the info Pugwash! I wandered over to RWG and had a look. I seem to remember that he had similar problems with hairsprings on some of the other models too so that alone is probably not enough to worry me but The pictures he has over there clearly show the ETA hallmark on a China movement with fake lot numbers and model numbers on it!

What is interesting about that is that the Chinese are making a copy of a fake by putting the ETA hallmark on a Panerai movement they have copied a fake one with the eta movement. [smilie=sign10.gif]

I just like to see how many time we can say cock in one thread. Saying cock makes me giggle. Cock hole cover, sillcock, gas cock, Cocteau Twins. lol




Sean K

 

[moggio]

nice onee...you like cock ?? lol ...u like to giggle with cock ?? lol

 

[seank]

nice onee...you like cock ?? lol ...u like to giggle with cock ?? lol

I've got a really good come back for this but I suppose I left myself a little exposed so I won't use it. I'm in the plumbing biz so everything is cock this nipple that, female end, male end etc. I still laugh like a kid when I say this stuff on the phone. Its called immaturity.




Sean K

 

[Roeod4]

I still laugh like a kid when I say this stuff on the phone. Its called immaturity.
Sean K

And there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[thelawnmowerman]

Hey guys
my eyesight aint that good or I must be thick, I dont understand any of this
but which watches are likely to have this possibly dodgy movt ?
I have one of the latest fiddys with the working swan neck ,a sapphire which people are
saying might not be and the superlume, do you think I've got one of these movts?

 

[hooligan]

Hey guys
my eyesight aint that good or I must be thick, I dont understand any of this
but which watches are likely to have this possibly dodgy movt ?
I have one of the latest fiddys with the working swan neck ,a sapphire which people are
saying might not be and the superlume, do you think I've got one of these movts?

Who did you source it from?

 

[thelawnmowerman]

from PT

 

[Klink]

dodgy smodgy
good info

everything else is chance
or oh shit stuff..

dealers know or dealers don't know..
too bad.. better luck next time

maybe good luck this time
if so
brag

 

[hooligan]

I *think* if it doesn't have the broad style indicator, you're alright.

 

[bigbadbrad]

nice onee...you like cock ?? lol ...u like to giggle with cock ?? lol

I've got a really good come back for this but I suppose I left myself a little exposed so I won't use it. I'm in the plumbing biz so everything is cock this nipple that, female end, male end etc. I still laugh like a kid when I say this stuff on the phone. Its called immaturity.

Sean K

or, it's called, being an Aussie But more on topic: great pics and comments Old Crowe!

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