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Looking for a speedmaster moonwatch? Info inside!
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Yeah, kinda sucks that they couldn't combine the best features of each one of these into a nice watch. I really like the dial on the 21j. The case on either the 21j or the handwind (the case on the quartz is a hair smaller than the other 2). I also really like the bezel insert on the handwind. All the casebacks are bad. Except maybe the handwind. It might be really accurate but it's the see through kind and I don't like those. And I'd pick the crystal on the quartz because it's the raised version. The other two are flat.
Anyway... If you have suggestions on which of these parts might work on each watch, let me know.
Anyway... If you have suggestions on which of these parts might work on each watch, let me know.
This is a great thread. Thanks for selling me your handwind Mark - I'm joining the speedy club and looking forward to sharing the headaches.
Guys something I noticed (and not mentioned on this thread) is the crown. I'm noticing on the gen the crown appears smaller and/or more recessed within the case. Is there an opportunity on the ST-19 to swap the rep crown and tube to a gen alternative?
Gen photo (the reps totally off)
Guys something I noticed (and not mentioned on this thread) is the crown. I'm noticing on the gen the crown appears smaller and/or more recessed within the case. Is there an opportunity on the ST-19 to swap the rep crown and tube to a gen alternative?
Gen photo (the reps totally off)
Great updates lads, jesus what did they do to the quartz recently, it used to be probably one of the better reps, now with the subdials it looks really odd.
yeah, none of the dials are very good. I found this awhile back regarding different versions of the bezels that were made. What I've found is that there are so many versions of gens over the years that what we think are flaws could actually be justified as accurate.
Check out this link about the bezels and the disappearing accent mark...
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/omega-speedmaster-speedmaster-professional-bezel-guide-668494.html
Check out this link about the bezels and the disappearing accent mark...
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/omega-speedmaster-speedmaster-professional-bezel-guide-668494.html
The gen crown does not screw down, so maybe that's the difference in appearance you mentioned. Sorry, I'm not sure if the gen tube will fit the rep case and I've never read where anyone has tried it.
I agree about the subdials. I really like the stepped/concave ones. It sounds like though that Omega at some point in the last 50 years made some Moonies with flat dials... That link I posted led to some other links and that point was made. It also sounds like Omega used several different suppliers and didn't seem to have as much quality control as they probably should have resulting in quite a few different versions of various parts.
So I'm thinking that what we see as flaws on all these reps could actually be kind of accurate. I'm thinking don't sweat these reps as much as we do...
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No, there's never been a Speedy Pro with a flat dial. There have been changes in the profile of the dial ("stepped" vs a smooth slope on the outer edge) , but it has always been curved.
Do read through the late Chuck Maddox's site if you have the time. He did an awesome job of cataloging major variations over the years.
Ah. That makes sense. Just had my hopes up for a little accuracy I guess. Looking through Chuck Maddox's blog (is that what you're referring to?) now I have something else to occupy my time when I'm supposed to be working...
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mark: Any job that doesn't allow you to waste hours loafing on the Internet, well... That's just not a job worth having! 
In general, parts aren't interchangeable between movements, unless they're part of the same family (e.g. Valjoux 23-->72, ETA 2824-->2836). Even then, there are no guarantees. A Cal.861 is not at all related to the ST-19. The 861's tighter subdial spacing is sufficient to guarantee that you won't be able to screw it on. In fact, I doubt that the bridges have any common dimension. The tolerances on these bridges are very tight, and very specific to the movement.
Besides, an ST-19 has a closer resemblance to an Omega Cal.321 (U-shaped chrono bridge, column wheel) than it does to an 861...
Do any of you know if the gen 1037 chronograph bridge and gen crown/tube will fit the manual wind model? I believe ofrei stocks both these gen parts. I am curious to know if anyones tested or done this before
In general, parts aren't interchangeable between movements, unless they're part of the same family (e.g. Valjoux 23-->72, ETA 2824-->2836). Even then, there are no guarantees. A Cal.861 is not at all related to the ST-19. The 861's tighter subdial spacing is sufficient to guarantee that you won't be able to screw it on. In fact, I doubt that the bridges have any common dimension. The tolerances on these bridges are very tight, and very specific to the movement.
Besides, an ST-19 has a closer resemblance to an Omega Cal.321 (U-shaped chrono bridge, column wheel) than it does to an 861...
Ok. I'm wanting to do some stuff to my 21j version. It has the Michael Shumacher case back. I'd like the moon one. I also need a raised crystal. Anyone know of what sizes etc. would work? Come on, I'm not asking too much am I?
mark: Any job that doesn't allow you to waste hours loafing on the Internet, well... That's just not a job worth having!
In general, parts aren't interchangeable between movements, unless they're part of the same family (e.g. Valjoux 23-->72, ETA 2824-->2836). Even then, there are no guarantees. A Cal.861 is not at all related to the ST-19. The 861's tighter subdial spacing is sufficient to guarantee that you won't be able to screw it on. In fact, I doubt that the bridges have any common dimension. The tolerances on these bridges are very tight, and very specific to the movement.
Besides, an ST-19 has a closer resemblance to an Omega Cal.321 (U-shaped chrono bridge, column wheel) than it does to an 861...
Awesome! That's great news lol
Well I guess I'll need to find a rep movement with the Omega engravings then. I personally love the clear case back and I realize the movement looks nothing like the gen. I just prefer to have the bridge with the Omega branding on it...
As an academic exercise, has anyone ever tried to use one of the co-ax PO chrono movements in a Speedy case? I believe that movement has the proper spacing to use gen Speedy dials.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not pushing for anyone to dress up a Seagull to look like a c.321! That would be a huge job for very little payoff, in my opinion.
Strange, but I don't think I've ever seen an ST-19 that's been engraved or otherwise decorated to look more legit.
I know that the cartel was talking about a new Speedy rep 2-3 years ago, soon after the PO Chrono rep was made. I don't think they were ever able to resolve the packaging issue. The POC had a big enough case to house the movement plus the plate with the transfer gears. So why not a rep of the 44mm Speedy Co-ax, I wonder?
icard: Didn't I effin send you one? LOLI like the way you think! I'd love to try out that big boy.
BTW, I can't believe this thread has reached 10 pages.
BTW, I can't believe this thread has reached 10 pages.
Yes you did. The case for the 21j is 42mm though and the case for the handwind was 40mm. I think it's too small for the 21j... smartass
And I too am surprised this thread has lasted this long... (it's fun though so let's keep it rolling.)
Looks like the one Silix shows on their site is engraved... $225
http://www.silix-prime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=115_150_191&products_id=1634
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Hmm... Get rid of the blue screws, give everything a copper finish, and then you deal with the upside-down OMEGA.