This is sort of a branch off of my other thread. But how can you identify the swiss movement with the swan neck on a 111. How does the Asian mvmt look different?
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How to tell the Swiss Mvmt
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Not an expert, but the easiest way to differentiate betwen the two at this moment is by identifying the shape of the regulator needle wedged between the swan-neck wire end and the fine adjustment screw.
The Chinese ETA 6497 with CDG and working S/N regulator has needle that looks like a 'spike', while the real Swiss ETA 6497 with CDG and with working S/N regulator comes with the needle reminiscent of a 'dagger'.
Eddie Lee's latest 111H with Asian mov't shows the chinese movt:
http://www.replicacollector.com/members ... opic=25524
Swiss ETA 6497 is shown below:
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vend ... _111_2.jpg
Other details are almost undistinguishable to the naked eye, except the wrong OFFICCINE PANERAI letter size and font (yup, still there), and slightly rougher finish of the CDG bridges - the latest Asian 6497 rep mov't is really work of art, at least from cosmetic standpoint.
However, I'd stay with swiss ETA if I were you, extra $100 you pay for one of those will guarantee you at least 25-30 years of enjoyment...on the other hand no-one can guarantee the quality and lifespan of the latest Chinese ETA copy.
Hope this helps,
babola
The Chinese ETA 6497 with CDG and working S/N regulator has needle that looks like a 'spike', while the real Swiss ETA 6497 with CDG and with working S/N regulator comes with the needle reminiscent of a 'dagger'.
Eddie Lee's latest 111H with Asian mov't shows the chinese movt:
http://www.replicacollector.com/members ... opic=25524
Swiss ETA 6497 is shown below:
http://www.paneristi.com/reference/vend ... _111_2.jpg
Other details are almost undistinguishable to the naked eye, except the wrong OFFICCINE PANERAI letter size and font (yup, still there), and slightly rougher finish of the CDG bridges - the latest Asian 6497 rep mov't is really work of art, at least from cosmetic standpoint.
However, I'd stay with swiss ETA if I were you, extra $100 you pay for one of those will guarantee you at least 25-30 years of enjoyment...on the other hand no-one can guarantee the quality and lifespan of the latest Chinese ETA copy.
Hope this helps,
babola
well I just got the swiss one and wanted to know, but I think I see what your talking about now. Thanks.
I thought it was working....but now i am not sure..thats kind of what i was asking. I was asking, how can you be certain it is swiss and how can you tell if its working or not..
These were the specs from River.
Pam 111H Swiss Unitas with Swan Neck set!
AR-coating
Genuine Swiss Unitas
44mm
Either way I love the watch, and I don't mean it in a distrusting way to River at all. I was just simply curious.
These were the specs from River.
Pam 111H Swiss Unitas with Swan Neck set!
AR-coating
Genuine Swiss Unitas
44mm
Either way I love the watch, and I don't mean it in a distrusting way to River at all. I was just simply curious.
If it is a swiss movement then it probably does not have a working swan neck.
The only reps (that I know of) that have a working swan neck are the chinese copies. From what I unserstand they were copied from an actual Panerai movement. Remember that the swan neck is a Panerai add on. None of the swiss Unitas movments should have them.
The only reps (that I know of) that have a working swan neck are the chinese copies. From what I unserstand they were copied from an actual Panerai movement. Remember that the swan neck is a Panerai add on. None of the swiss Unitas movments should have them.
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Roeod4 said:
Well, according to River these are now available:
http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7842
cheers,
babola
babola said:
That new movement is believed to be a counterfeit, a Chinese made movement that is branded as a Swiss ETA movement but it is still Chinese and the early ones at least had some problems with hairsprings not being parallel to the balance wheel which leads to problems and apparently the problem was or is common enough that ziggy wrote about it over at RWG1.
Having said that It wouldn’t stop me from buying one because they are still damn nice looking!
Yeah I just got the swiss 111H from Ruby and really dont know which movement I received either. Very hard to keep up with the subtleties of these movements. Did the swiss movement ever come with the spike regulator needle before the dagger shaped?????? I'm so confused....... :shock:
Hope to post pics of mine with review tomorrow...
Higgy 8)
Hope to post pics of mine with review tomorrow...
Higgy 8)
Also by looking at my Swiss 111H, the balance wheel has straight "spokes" on the wheel as opposed to this new asian movt that has the flared out spokes ( wider) when they attach to the outside rim of the wheel.
Sorry I don't have a good pic handy.
Sorry I don't have a good pic handy.
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OldeCrow said:
I wrote quite a lot on all three forums about subtle differences between the 'latest' Chinese copy of ETA 6497 with CDG bridges and working S/N reg as currently sold by Eddie Lee, and the Swiss ETA 6497 with CDG and working S/N.
The one from River I referred to in my post above is Swiss ETA 6497, not a Chinese copy. There are subtle details that make the two mov'ts different, not easily spotted with a 'naked eye' but they are there.
The movement Ziggy wrote about @ RWG is identified and confirmed by some RWG forumers as Swiss NOS ETA 6497.
These days this one mainly comes as ETA 6497 with working S/N in 'Fiddy'. The problem identified is thought to be related to attention to detail during a final mov't assembly in Asia.
Drop me a PM if you wish,
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babola