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California 1936 - new, retro, hot

sennsi

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Quite a tricky question as there are 2 versions: 1 in Black Dial and 1 in Brown dial in the Special Editions Category

- PAM 249 Radiomir 1936 California 47mm in steel and black dial, 1,936 units;
- PAM 262 Radiomir 1936 California 47mm in platinum and brown dial, 50 units
 

JCM1662

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thats a gem!

this week I purchased my first 2 Pa's w TT. :D

What a terrific looking watch you posted- the california lettering is an exquisit touch.

All the best to everyone!
 

pugwash

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enzo said:
Check out this NEW Panerai with a an awesome vintage flair! First one to name it gets RWI$100 for their hip cleverness
I hereby name it Francesco! I m teh Win!
 

sennsi

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enzo said:
sennsi wins by getting both versions right! The images are of the more affordable steel model. This just might be my first GEN, they got it all right with a remadke; 47mm and the best California dial since c.1945!

Sweet! Thanks enzo for the extra dineros! ;)

Hope that you have already placed your order for this sweet Cali model! This is definately gonna be one gem that is going to appreciate and be appreciated.
 

moggio

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That is a very cool vintage look..i thought its a rep up for grab...LOL

I've seen in in paneristi ...a while back after the SIHH i think...its the new one ..well I like it..so how much it cost for this GEN ?? It look worth to have ...

how much enzo ?? :D :D :shock:
 

seank

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enzo said:
Check out this NEW Panerai with a an awesome vintage flair! First one to name it gets RWI$100 for their hip cleverness

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Pamcalifornication
 

crumpdaddy

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Wonder how long it will be before a rep comes out. I really love the Cali dial.
 

Novesh

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you know what the name of that watch is?

fvcking hot, thats what.

:p
 

ohmycocker

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sennsi said:
Quite a tricky question as there are 2 versions: 1 in Black Dial and 1 in Brown dial in the Special Editions Category

- PAM 249 Radiomir 1936 California 47mm in steel and black dial, 1,936 units;
- PAM 262 Radiomir 1936 California 47mm in platinum and brown dial, 50 units

I have searched the official Panerai 06/07 price list, but only found the following:
246 is 42mm called Foudroyante
232 is 47mm historical dial SS
249 is 47mm California dial

Where is 262? Can u show us the pics?
 

johnism

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ok I am sure I will be flamed for this ...but was this ( or is it ) made in a smaller size? 47 is a little large for me 39/40 would be perfect.....
 

bigbadbrad

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Californiay

Way cool - didn't know they were doing this. Dream of Californication ...

Thanks for the heads up, Enzo.

-- BBB
 

sevomd

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I got my Cali dial from Joshua. It is nice, but I am gonna use it as my guinea pig and try to vintagize the dial and brush the SS case. I just got some tools from Ofrei to help me. What I really want is the Kampshwimmer from WM, with the extra thick hands.

Eddy
 

ohmycocker

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Yup, Panerai + California = PANEIFORNIA.....

I already put my name on the list of the Panerai Boutique for this one. Mind as well at least the PAM232 has the pre-V buckle as well....cool
 

johnism

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ok so that dial will fit in a 40mm case ( and the arms ) ?
 

sevomd

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enzo said:
sevomd said:
I got my Cali dial from Joshua. It is nice, but I am gonna use it as my guinea pig and try to vintagize the dial and brush the SS case. I just got some tools from Ofrei to help me. What I really want is the Kampshwimmer from WM, with the extra thick hands.

Eddy

The Kampfschwimmer hands that are accurate are the black single ladder pocket watch hands that come on the reps as well as the new 1936 GEN. Extra thick hands are a WM fantasy, [not that there is anything wrong with fantasy ... ]

A Kampfschwimmer by definition is a Rolex-made Panerai made in 1945 due to Italy surrendering and turning to the Allied side, thus no longer supplying their former German Axis partner with watches. So, British owned, Swiss [neutral] Rolex stepped in with a controversial move and filled the watch orders. Hence the funky California dials, all rolex cases and movements ... The parts weren't so much the issue as the political massinations of the patriotic and moral implications of the transaction.

A lot of the story is masked over who approved what and how, etc. My own theory is that the odd California Dial was a visual 'comment' injected by someone at Rolex; whether it was Wilsdorf himself - the watches usability was perhaps corrupted or monkey-wrenched ... there is no good explaination for using such a dial for a military watch, other than it's probably one of the worst choices one could make. The official version, was there were no other stock available.

Panerai's roots in general seems based on a formula of using, "found" stock. Certainly in the 1930s and 40s Pocket watch movements were probably accessible and cheap NOS inventory. While the re-written histories claim durability and unique design, certainly a lot can be explained by using what was available and cheap at the time. Not to imply cheapest, maybe the requirement was precise movement, yet sourcing PW movements allowed one surplus inventory, ie. good stuff at surplus rates ...

With early waterproof technology as well, it was easier to indentify and produce a watch larger with sucessful results. Most early dive watches in the experimental years tended toward gigantism.

As always, thank you for the history lesson.

Eddy