16800

[2470f2.8ii]

Hey guys, I really like the 16800 matte dial look. Couple questions..


Is a 16610 and 16800 case the same on the outside? I know the 16800 fits a 3035 and 16610 houses the 3135. I'd like to use a 16800 case but not at the expense of not having the 3135.

I'd much rather have the 3135. So at this point I'm leaning towards the newer arf 16610. And then putting a 16800 dial in there. If the only difference is the engravings, then I'm cool with the newer case.

Planning on picking up a vr3135 from m2m and using that when I install the dial. Keeping the sh3135 as a backup.

Im still looking out for a good 16800 gen dial that isnt too yellow. I prefer the whiter ones.

Is there a consensus on good rep dials? I usually buy from mq, but im pretty sure mq,ruby and phong all get the same dials.

The 16800 dials available are running about $4,000 usd. Not sure the difference in quality other than peice of mind. I think the viet dials are around $500

in short will a 16610 case work with a 16800 dial + vr3135 movement?

going for something like this:

 

[mclarendude]

As far as I know, yes. I think that’s what most do when going for this reference.

 

[p0pperini]

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in short will a 16610 case work with a 16800 dial + vr3135 movement?

As MCD says, that's how it's normally done. I don't recall every seeing a Franken or VN 16800 up for sale using a 16800 case (but I've not been around here for very long - they may be out there). I've got a nice Franken 16800 with gen matte dial based on a 16610 - the case is in way better shape than that of my gen 16800...

tripdog prepared a 16800 case for me from an ARF 16610 base, and is very highly experienced in this area. Maybe he'd have some thoughts.

 

[kidcreole]

I've got one with a worked st3035 case. I haven't seen another star time case for many years. If I started again I'd try the VN route for the engravings. I'm OCD I like stuff to match and line up.

 

[tripdog]

Stay away from ST cases, they're junk. Get an ARF 16610 case, the rehaut needs to be lower and the lug curve slightly modified, but other than that the external differences are minimal.

 

[Slowman4130]

I built this on the ARF 16610. Easier to start with the non engraved rehaut model, I didn't realize both with/without models were available, and had to remove the engraving on this one. Probably a little more "destroyed" than you're looking to do, but on the right path. could grab an insert from crownartcustoms, today might be the last day he is in business!

 

[GIG]

Stay away from ST cases, they're junk. Get an ARF 16610 case, the rehaut needs to be lower and the lug curve slightly modified, but other than that the external differences are minimal.

Can you explain what you mean when saying the rehaut needs to be lower?

I have no where near the experience as you, and I'm having a hard time understanding this.

Does it look wrong compared to Gen 16800? I was under the impression the 16610 and 16800 used essentially the same case design. Or is it that ARF rehuat shape wrong regardless of build?

 

[tripdog]

Can you explain what you mean when saying the rehaut needs to be lower?

It's too tall for a 16800 case, which is different from a 16610 case. But the ARF cases have changed since this was posted, they are no longer of the same quality.

 

[GIG]

It's too tall for a 16800 case, which is different from a 16610 case. But the ARF cases have changed since this was posted, they are no longer of the same quality.

You know your watches, that's for sure!

If one was using a MQ 16800 dial on a VS3135 would you still lower the rehaut or leave it?

Did the quality change for the better or worse on the new RAF/ARF cases, in your opinion?

 

[tripdog]

If one was using a MQ 16800 dial on a VS3135 would you still lower the rehaut or leave it?

Did the quality change for the better or worse on the new RAF/ARF cases, in your opinion?

The 16800 movement was a 3035 caliber, dial and movement haven't got anything to do with the rehaut really - that's the case. 16800 had a lower rehaut than the 16610.
The new ARF cases have a lot of defects, better to get a first generation ARF or a JF 16610 case.

 

[GIG]

The 16800 movement was a 3035 caliber, dial and movement haven't got anything to do with the rehaut really - that's the case. 16800 had a lower rehaut than the 16610.
The new ARF cases have a lot of defects, better to get a first generation ARF or a JF 16610 case.

Rajah! I sent you a PM

I've been looking for a beat up Datejust with 3035 movement, almost pulled the trigger on a few.

 

[arna67]

And what about using a 16800 Vietnam case with a Swiss or Asian Eta and space ring? I think it works. Anyone did it? Need to cut dial feet naturally

 

[alligoat]

I used a 2836-2 in a ST3035 case many moons ago- worked fine. Dial was a gen 16800 matte dial which was relumed by Ziggy- $50 for the dial and $50 for the relume! That was back in 2008. Started out in a noob case with drilled lugholes and switched to the ST3035 in 10 or11.
If the Viet 16800 case is truly for the 3035 movt. the 2836 should do fine.
If it's for a 3135, you could probably switch to a 2824-2- each with a spacer ring of course.
As Tripdog indicated, rehaut in the 16800 is thinner than the 16610. The stem in the 3035 movement sits lower in the case than the 3135.
Nice thing is that both the 16800 and 16610 use the same crystal/bezel assembly/bracelets/crown&tube.

 

[arna67]

I used a 2836-2 in a ST3035 case many moons ago- worked fine. Dial was a gen 16800 matte dial which was relumed by Ziggy- $50 for the dial and $50 for the relume! That was back in 2008. Started out in a noob case with drilled lugholes and switched to the ST3035 in 10 or11.
If the Viet 16800 case is truly for the 3035 movt. the 2836 should do fine.
If it's for a 3135, you could probably switch to a 2824-2- each with a spacer ring of course.
As Tripdog indicated, rehaut in the 16800 is thinner than the 16610. The stem in the 3035 movement sits lower in the case than the 3135.
Nice thing is that both the 16800 and 16610 use the same crystal/bezel assembly/bracelets/crown&tube.

Thanks mate. Your info was helpful, so I will be more confident in building my 16800 with eta calibre. I tried with VR3135 and it cannot be installed on, cause the viet cases are on 3035 spec