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HISTORIQUES CORNES DE VACHE 1955

kk169

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Another attempt at the super nice VC Historiques 1955 chrono, this time with the A7750 but same as the previous rep (in 2017?) it is still too thick (14.5mm vs 10.9mm). I can get past the sub-dial spacing issue but the thickness seems to continue to be a deal breaker. Really a super classy watch and one that I’d really love to have a decent rep for!
[h=1]HISTORIQUES CORNES DE VACHE 1955[/h] https://trustytime.io/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=43&products_id=22532


What’s your view fellow VC lovers?
 

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I think I'm gonna GP this. I've been a big fan of vintage chronos though this model is a re-issue of the vintage one so it's hard not to cop this one. I've also been looking for the 2018 Patek 5070's and the older VC 4072 reps but they all seem to be sold out.

The flaws are clear though, the rotor on backside shouldn't be there, I thought the asian valjoux is handwind? Why is there a rotor?
As for color: The platinum version is too hard to rep as steel has different shade of color and the stainless steel version is hard to rep as well with the subtle difference in colour distribution on the dial. I hope whoever is making this rep does a equally good job as the fifitysix grey model cause the fiftysix has subtle grey difference as well and they nailed it pretty well.
The gold version is flawed as the gen is pink gold, both rep YG and RG are off colourwise. Wished it was sub 300 for a flawed model but oh well.. :D
 

fpi87

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I think I'm gonna GP this. I've been a big fan of vintage chronos though this model is a re-issue of the vintage one so it's hard not to cop this one. I've also been looking for the 2018 Patek 5070's and the older VC 4072 reps but they all seem to be sold out.

The flaws are clear though, the rotor on backside shouldn't be there, I thought the asian valjoux is handwind? Why is there a rotor?
As for color: The platinum version is too hard to rep as steel has different shade of color and the stainless steel version is hard to rep as well with the subtle difference in colour distribution on the dial. I hope whoever is making this rep does a equally good job as the fifitysix grey model cause the fiftysix has subtle grey difference as well and they nailed it pretty well.
The gold version is flawed as the gen is pink gold, both rep YG and RG are off colourwise. Wished it was sub 300 for a flawed model but oh well.. :D
 

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The thickness is really incredible. I am baffled as to why the factories thought putting in an automatic movement (and increasing thickness by ~1.5 mm over the previous hand wound rep which was listed at 13 mm) would be a good idea. It's 15 mm thick vs. 10.9 mm of the gen; that's ~40% thicker! The thickness of this rep is almost 40% of the width (versus <30% for the gen). What a crazy proportion. This would have been so much better with a hand wound movement and thinner profile.

As for differences from the last rep, the subdial spacing appears worse since the 45 and 15 are cropped out. The lugs look a lot closer to the gen's in this newer rep. Very nice. Hands are off on both, but further off in the newer rep (see tail of the central seconds hand). Color of the metal is hard to judge from the photos, but I agree with fpi87 that if they did as good a job as the fiftysix grey rep then it would be quite good. But I don't mind if the SS reps don't match platinum as well; the difference can be subtle enough for me. The pushers on the newer rep look bigger than the gen's; the previous rep appears to have slightly smaller pushers than the gen. All that being said, the thickness is tough to get over.

I'll have to think about this, as I love the cornes de vaches and missed out on the last rep.
 
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kk169

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Yea my biggest issue is with the thickness. I previously had an ALS Datograph rep with hand wound ST19, still way too bulky on the wrist to enjoy it even if I’m not too fussy about the more minute details of the rep vs gen like lug shape or dial printing etc. It just felt wrong on the wrist and it is easily the rep I enjoyed least and gotten the least wrist time among all my reps.

Would like to see wrist shots from anyone who pulled the trigger and maybe I would come around it as I desperately want to get this!! I just have a really soft spot for vintage looking chrono...
 
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Apologies, but what is "GP"? "Go Purchase?" If along those lines, I'd love to see some wrist shots and get your thoughts and impressions on it. It's one thing to critically tear apart a rep from photos, but another to hear from owners.

Means "Guinea Pig", the first person to purchase to test it out. Maybe it's an expression more used on Reptime, here maybe they just say "pulling the trigger"
 
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I decided to give it a shot (YG version) and ordered it through YW (RWI probationary dealer) as the price is cheaper on YW than Trusty by 40 USD all costs incl. Furthermore, I inquired Trustry how he would ship EU after the Brexit and it seems he's still shipping through UK with Royal Mail. He claims no problems with it (which might be) but I just don't want to risk it yet. Therefore, went with YW as they are EU based dealer, but that also means the shipping time is almost double. Well, safety first I guess.

After more in depth comparison with the GEN pics and what I saw in trusty's videos, here are some more differences compared to gen:

Scale and markers: it seems like the SS version is the only one having the inner scale printed @3 and 9 o' clock like the GEN, but then badly done. The other versions (Plat, YG,RG) all have missing printing on the inner scale @3 and 9. On the other hand, the GEN markers are cut lop-sided. All versions have that except the SS version. So while the SS is done better in one way, it also is done more badly in another way.

Caseback: All versions have the caseback with the Pt950 marking, thus this is only correct for the PLAT version.

Color: After much comparisons, I think the PLAT version is the best when it comes to coloring. The steel difference to platinum is imo obvious if you hold them side by side, but not when it's on the wrist. There is no discoloration risk as with the gold plated ones and the dial color seems to be the closest to GEN. The YG comes in second as both YG,RG are different to GEN RG, but the GEN RG is actually closer to the REP YG. It has that subtle dark color like aged vintage gold opposed to cheap general rose gold color. So while the GEN is "pink gold", it differs from the REP rose gold by a lot. Therefore a YG version wins, and perhaps, there is a way to let the YG plating oxidize to make it dull ? the third choice would be the SS version with the correct scale printing, but in videos, the grey difference is hard to judge. Though the red numbering seems a little light. The RG version is the most flawed color wise imo.

Finishing: The finishing in the QC photos on the rep YG is also more refined than the RG version. Maybe it's a one-time case basis... but both Trusty and YW photos shows this.

Case shape and lugs: The lugs are still different to GEN as the transition on the GEN are rounded on both top and side while the rep is just "flat " at top and rounded at the side.

All in all, a rep with lots of flaws, but as long you enjoy the watch, no big of a deal. How many people know the 1955 by heart anyways? (vintage) chrono's especially have lots of 'franken' watches or variations that people can't keep up anymore. Furhermore, it's still 300USD compared to 40K :) I went with the YG version despite discoloration as I miss a golden chrono in the collection. If anyone knows a way to oxidize is without rubbing the gold plating off, please let me know. I'll post wrist shots as soon it arrives
 
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kk169

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I decided to give it a shot (YG version) ...

If anyone knows a way to oxidize is without rubbing the gold plating off, please let me know. I'll post wrist shots as soon it arrives

Great in-depth analysis, can’t wait for see your wrist shots! Agreed that few if any random person would really know how this watch should look like and hence I’m still considering despite all the flaws.
 
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If anyone knows a way to oxidize is without rubbing the gold plating off, please let me know. I'll post wrist shots as soon it arrives


I conducted a quick search and a lot of people in jewelry making use oxidizers on silver and gold. It sounds as if they can chemically oxidize gold plating to the point of turning it black, but you can stop the reaction early and lightly polish off excess oxidized surface. Some people use it on plated metal, not just solid. However, I imagine that continued use (it will rub off over time) will accelerate loss of the gold plating. Also, it seems to be very good at getting into cracks and recesses, so it will be really hard to evenly oxidize the gold plating to achieve a uniform color. It's more for making a piece look aged naturally. Two brands recommended were JAX Silver Blackener (also works for gold) and Vigor Silver/Gold Oxidizer. I am sure there are others.

I look forward to your review and wrist shots once it arrives.
 

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Hi everyone, took a long time to receive it, but this beauty just got in. Overall, I’m very happy with it for this price point.

The gold colour is ofcourse not gen-like, but its the closest you’ll get with this model and the gold tone is not bad on itself either. Certainly not like those junk plated gold ones.

The thickness is an expected flaw, but wears quite well on the wrist. Chrono works fine and the watch winds smoothly. Lugs are well shaped, much better than the V1 from a few years ago. Some pics:

https://picr.me/image/ZVy3W3
https://picr.me/image/ZVy4so
https://picr.me/image/ZVya7b
https://picr.me/image/ZVyrVL
https://picr.me/image/ZVy5R2
https://picr.me/image/ZVyAiK
https://picr.me/image/ZVyBmd


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fpi87

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Not sure why all pics are uploaded tilted on the left... but I’m sure it’s easy to download the pics from the links and then edit-tilt it on your phones..


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fpi87

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I conducted a quick search and a lot of people in jewelry making use oxidizers on silver and gold. It sounds as if they can chemically oxidize gold plating to the point of turning it black, but you can stop the reaction early and lightly polish off excess oxidized surface. Some people use it on plated metal, not just solid. However, I imagine that continued use (it will rub off over time) will accelerate loss of the gold plating. Also, it seems to be very good at getting into cracks and recesses, so it will be really hard to evenly oxidize the gold plating to achieve a uniform color. It's more for making a piece look aged naturally. Two brands recommended were JAX Silver Blackener (also works for gold) and Vigor Silver/Gold Oxidizer. I am sure there are others.

I look forward to your review and wrist shots once it arrives.

I conducted a quick search and a lot of people in jewelry making use oxidizers on silver and gold. It sounds as if they can chemically oxidize gold plating to the point of turning it black, but you can stop the reaction early and lightly polish off excess oxidized surface. Some people use it on plated metal, not just solid. However, I imagine that continued use (it will rub off over time) will accelerate loss of the gold plating. Also, it seems to be very good at getting into cracks and recesses, so it will be really hard to evenly oxidize the gold plating to achieve a uniform color. It's more for making a piece look aged naturally. Two brands recommended were JAX Silver Blackener (also works for gold) and Vigor Silver/Gold Oxidizer. I am sure there are others.

I look forward to your review and wrist shots once it arrives.

For now, I’m quite satisfied with the gold tone color, no need to oxidize it as it looks much better than expected. let’s see how it holds up. When the time comes, I’ll let it replate, heard some good things about a probabtionary watchmaker about plating recently.


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Also, for once, I'm surprised the strap is quite a good one for a rep! It's a bit stiff at the lugs with the padding but the leather is much better than all other reps I've got...
 

kk169

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Hi everyone, took a long time to receive it, but this beauty just got in. Overall, I’m very happy with it for this price point.

The gold colour is ofcourse not gen-like, but its the closest you’ll get with this model and the gold tone is not bad on itself either. Certainly not like those junk plated gold ones.

The thickness is an expected flaw, but wears quite well on the wrist. Chrono works fine and the watch winds smoothly. Lugs are well shaped, much better than the V1 from a few years ago. Some pics:

https://picr.me/image/ZVy3W3
https://picr.me/image/ZVy4so
https://picr.me/image/ZVya7b
https://picr.me/image/ZVyrVL
https://picr.me/image/ZVy5R2
https://picr.me/image/ZVyAiK
https://picr.me/image/ZVyBmd


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Looks great, thanks for the pics!