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  • Review - Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Small Seconds - Gray dial

    Vacheron Constantin Patrimony Traditionnelle Small Seconds - Gray Dial


    The gen
    The gen is an elegant and simple, yet sophisticated dress watch, which was released in 2013 with a "opaline slate gray dial" and a platinum case. This was the first patrimony traditionnelle 38mm in a platinum dial. The watch is made within the long line of Patrimony Traditionnelle watches from Vacheron Constantin. Patrimony for giving from father to son - this is a traditional watch, yet it has a modern look as the crisp lines of the minute track and cuts of hands and the applied markers.
    It has a polished case, the hands are mirror polished on one side and satin polished on the other side, which gives a very shiny appearance. The hands were made in 18k white gold. The subsidiary seconds has two glossy rings around and inside the seconds track, which gives balance and fits perfect with the highly polished bright platinum case.



    Facts:
    Released: 2013 priced at around 34k USD.
    Casediameter: 38mm
    Case thickness: 7.77mm
    Case material: Platinum

    Movement
    Movement was an in-house caliber 4400 AS, which is manual wound and had a geneva seal on it, because of the - at the time of release - roughly speaking "fulfillment of requirements regarding movement quality and finishing". Later on the requirements for the Geneva seal where extended not only to the finishing and quality of the movement, but also that the whole watch is made in the Geneva canton, requirements of precision of the movement in-case, quality and finishing of the watch as a whole, that the watch has written "Geneva" or "Genéve" on the dial, water resistance, power reserve and overall functionality of the watch among most noteworthy.

    The movement has a power reserve of 65h in the gen.



    The rep
    Before we go into details of the flaws, let's start with a nice shot, which shows how beautiful and well made this rep is. Here on a Jacobstraps burgundy vintage:



    And a customary wristshot



    The facts:

    Casediameter: 39,5mm
    Case thickness: approx. 8,5mm
    Lug width: 21mm (although a 22mm fits nicely. I've tried with a 21mm strap mounted too, it fitted perfectly).
    Buckle width: 18mm.
    Price: 218 USD
    Bought from: Toro Bravo

    Case
    The rep case is 1,5 mm larger and 1 mm thicker than the gen. The ratio is balanced and it seems thin on the wrist. Although i think the case size undoubtedly looks bigger than 38mm if you have a trained eye.

    As you can see it is fairly thin:


    Case polishing is very nice and finishing is great. The watch looks expensive:



    Crystal
    The crystal is AR coated although i think it could have reflected a little less, because the gen has flawless AR coating.



    Hands
    Hands are nicely polished and very shiny, there are no marks or anything on them. Correct shape and length.

    Markers
    The 6 o'clock marker is a little longer than in the gen. Other than that very nicely applied and of high quality.

    Dial
    Has a very similar colour to the gen. The VC cross is a little bit thicker than the gen, but not noticable. The "Genéve" has the punctuation on the "é" which shouldn't have been there.





    Subsidiary seconds dial:
    Here one of the main flaws is present as highlighted in this thread:
    https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...-small-seconds

    The gen has two glossy rings respectively inside and around the seconds track. These are not present in the rep. This makes the watch look a little bit dull at a glance when looking at a picture of the gen, as the gen has a more balance to it as stated above and as you can see in the picture of the gen.

    Rep movement
    The rep movement is well decorated with a high level of finishing. It really looks expensive and has depth to it, as the deeper parts of the movement also has finishing on them. The engravings are correct too.

    The movement has a frequency of 28800 vph, while the rep has a 21600 vph.

    I hope the pictures show how well finished the movement of this rep really is:



    Conclusion

    This is a really well made high quality rep whit one of the best finished rep movements i've seen. It has the same whitishness of the movement as in the gen because of the fine lines placed rectangularlyof the Geneva striping.

    Also it has a great dial colour and case finishing is great. It does many things right.'

    The flaws are as above stated:
    Major:
    - The shiny rings inside and outside of the subsidiary seconds hand is lacking, which makes it look a bit more dull if you directly put it against a picture of the gen. It is a pretty stupid error though, as they could easily have applied a thin layer of cut high-gloss plastic there. It would have given roughly the same look and appearance.
    - Case size is 39,5mm, the gen is 38mm. Although it isn't visible on the wrist.

    Minor:
    - Punctuation on the "é" in Geneve shouldn't have been there.
    - The 6 o'clock marker is a little bit longer.
    - If you look very close, the VC cross is a tiny bit thicker than the gen.

    At the price the watch is truly a bargain!
    Last edited by jm_brc_7057; 16-08-19, 16:15.

  • jm_brc_7057
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    Originally posted by TidusKun View Post
    Very beautiful pics. Think I'm sold! More pics of the now-ar-coated piece?
    Unfortunately not possible. Sold and on its way to the US!

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  • TidusKun
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    Very beautiful pics. Think I'm sold! More pics of the now-ar-coated piece?

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  • jm_brc_7057
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    Originally posted by mskwatch View Post

    sorry, I posted here instead of the sales thread as was reading your review
    Yes it does, mate. I've posted pictures of it in my sales thread. If you are considering it with the blue strap, it's possible to have it with that instead.

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  • mskwatch
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    Originally posted by jm_brc_7057 View Post

    Which blue strap mate?
    sorry, I posted here instead of the sales thread as was reading your review

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  • jm_brc_7057
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    Originally posted by mskwatch View Post
    will the blue strap fit the VC?
    Which blue strap mate?

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  • mskwatch
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    will the blue strap fit the VC?

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  • W47chl0v3r
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    Hmmm, Can you take out the dial on your watch and measure it for me ?

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  • jm_brc_7057
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    Originally posted by W47chl0v3r View Post
    Wasn't it advertised as 38mm? If there is such a large difference I may go another route. Possibly use another watch as a base.
    Exactly mate. Gen dial won’t fit. The movement of this watch can maybe.

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  • W47chl0v3r
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    Wasn't it advertised as 38mm? If there is such a large difference I may go another route. Possibly use another watch as a base.

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  • jm_brc_7057
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    Originally posted by W47chl0v3r View Post
    Awesome review. I am trying to buy the same watch to make into a 82572/000G-9605 because I recently bought a dial for that along with my 1921 American.
    Wow that sounds very interesting. What about the case. What are you going to do about that? The case of this rep (39,6mm) is bigger than the dial of the VC Traditionnelle Smal Seconds (38mm).

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  • W47chl0v3r
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    Awesome review. I am trying to buy the same watch to make into a 82572/000G-9605 because I recently bought a dial for that along with my 1921 American.

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  • jm_brc_7057
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    The watch just came back today. The crystal was Prof's AR coated and now is so clear that it almost can't be seen! The shiny rings weren't made.

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  • jm_brc_7057
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    Originally posted by sk786 View Post
    jm_brc_7057 im going to get the istanbul abd Venice.

    You guys are bad for my wallet .
    Haha I hear that often

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  • sk786
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    jm_brc_7057 im going to get the istanbul abd Venice.

    You guys are bad for my wallet .

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