That's a bit unfair to tar all newcomers with the same brush. I am new to this hobby.
I completely understand the sentiment being expressed by the seasoned rep owners here, and if I'd been into this hobby and active on these fora for as many years as they have, I'd also feel unhappy at the proliferation of new members who don't share a passion for the objects. As one of the noobs, I'm having to learn that it's going to be a long time - like, years - before I can expect to be accepted as a member of the club. In the meantime, I read as much as possible and have been trying really hard to avoid posting too much nonsense... Although sometimes I just can't help myself.
Anyway, some members have been trusting enough to sell to me already, and for that I am extremely grateful. It's been the most pleasurable way to get into this hobby - getting pieces that come with a bit of history built in and dealing with some really nice people. It helps to remember the rules here, and know that it's a seller's decision whether or not to sell to you.
But in the meantime I totally accept that it's the prerogative of the established members to treat us noobs as they see fit, until we've done our time in the hobby too!
Meanwhile, back on topic - I've been following this thread with a sense of amazement that jampo could possibly be as stupid as he comes across, and genuinely unable to fathom if his stupidity has all been an act, or if he really was just naive and in need of our pity. I still haven't made up my mind on that, and probably never will. But my sympathies are completely with Derinee... What a cr@p situation to end up in, and he's taken it like a real gentleman.
So, all that having been said... Can anyone tell me which is the best Submariner to buy?