Long awaited and took a LONG time to do.... let's hope this helps people 
so first of all we take our movement from dealer X and watch Y and stick it into the carbon fibre movement holder.... as you can see from the outside all looks OK!
taking off the reverser we can see that all is not as it appears. The lack and incorrect application of lubrication has left a 'spirograph' pattern whilst HEAVILY oxidising the metal
when we split it down further we can see that far from this being just cosmetic the parts have infact been damaged. Note we can see where the parts are in contact and where the incorrect lubrication has been applied to the right hand part; note the dual colours. The left hand part... well what can I add I actually like the effect.... if it weren't so... terrible lol.
as you can see these ARE swiss reversers; with one jerelled and one not jewelled. No idea why the swiss did this BUT my swiss eta 2824 is the same....
Next part; note the damage to the brass wheel indicated. Also notice the circled hole in the mainplate and the damage there too. Also the one jewel they decide to oil... is unacceptably done so. Too much and wrong grade.
Note again the dried grease and damaged mainplate.
Note the dried grease; this isnt good this is why it didnt wind well. Also note the damage to the circled barrel top.
well this is in actuality a SWISS movement... or was. The engravings match, the code of production is valid, the stamping is good, shock is correct etc etc. Note that the 'ticks' on the adjuster are CORRECT and this is the size and shape of the correct engravings.
stem parts; note the sheer oxidation to the ratchet and the 'gunk' inside of the smaller part on the right.... it's a joke.
Under the barrel we find... more incorrect and uncleaned and dirty oil! This would affect the amplitude and PR hence why it was only giving 240 degrees!
balance; actually apart from being (very) dirty it's OK. Hairspring is correct shape and seems perfectly (re)usable!
The plate on top of the pallets. Looks like a Chinese part - the 2 screws are incorrect and of different sizes...... and it's really dirty.
This is a swiss eta 2824 (pic taken when I was in Switzerland) take a look at the bridge over the pallets... notice the shape and finish & colour...
more congealed oil.... more dirt and more substandard oiling or jewels.
scratches to this part die to lack of oiling again
another spirograph shape again due to grit and lack of oil.
this part is relatively OK!
now the best bit... the stem! Where to start! Note the damage to the mainplate, the thick gunk on the parts, the other dried grease....
I dont know and I'm not sure I want to know what this stuff is....
right take a look for yourselves at the dried grease, oxidised parts, gunk, and severe damage to these parts.. you be the judge!
dirty and oxidised
and the final layout!
Conclusion: This was a swiss movement. I use the phrase 'was. It (as I suspected) had been repaired with Chinese parts and very poorly. I would never ever pay a 'premium' to receive this. It seems to me that whilst these are OLD movements which are then 'repaired' the clones at the very least are 'new'. This means you do not have the whole issue of cleaning the old movements which the Chinese do NOT do.
In my opinion GO FOR THE CLONE. Why pay premium for this!
right if I missed anything let me know!
so first of all we take our movement from dealer X and watch Y and stick it into the carbon fibre movement holder.... as you can see from the outside all looks OK!
taking off the reverser we can see that all is not as it appears. The lack and incorrect application of lubrication has left a 'spirograph' pattern whilst HEAVILY oxidising the metal
when we split it down further we can see that far from this being just cosmetic the parts have infact been damaged. Note we can see where the parts are in contact and where the incorrect lubrication has been applied to the right hand part; note the dual colours. The left hand part... well what can I add I actually like the effect.... if it weren't so... terrible lol.
as you can see these ARE swiss reversers; with one jerelled and one not jewelled. No idea why the swiss did this BUT my swiss eta 2824 is the same....
Next part; note the damage to the brass wheel indicated. Also notice the circled hole in the mainplate and the damage there too. Also the one jewel they decide to oil... is unacceptably done so. Too much and wrong grade.
Note again the dried grease and damaged mainplate.
Note the dried grease; this isnt good this is why it didnt wind well. Also note the damage to the circled barrel top.
well this is in actuality a SWISS movement... or was. The engravings match, the code of production is valid, the stamping is good, shock is correct etc etc. Note that the 'ticks' on the adjuster are CORRECT and this is the size and shape of the correct engravings.
stem parts; note the sheer oxidation to the ratchet and the 'gunk' inside of the smaller part on the right.... it's a joke.
Under the barrel we find... more incorrect and uncleaned and dirty oil! This would affect the amplitude and PR hence why it was only giving 240 degrees!
balance; actually apart from being (very) dirty it's OK. Hairspring is correct shape and seems perfectly (re)usable!
The plate on top of the pallets. Looks like a Chinese part - the 2 screws are incorrect and of different sizes...... and it's really dirty.
This is a swiss eta 2824 (pic taken when I was in Switzerland) take a look at the bridge over the pallets... notice the shape and finish & colour...
more congealed oil.... more dirt and more substandard oiling or jewels.
scratches to this part die to lack of oiling again
another spirograph shape again due to grit and lack of oil.
this part is relatively OK!
now the best bit... the stem! Where to start! Note the damage to the mainplate, the thick gunk on the parts, the other dried grease....
I dont know and I'm not sure I want to know what this stuff is....
right take a look for yourselves at the dried grease, oxidised parts, gunk, and severe damage to these parts.. you be the judge!
dirty and oxidised
and the final layout!
Conclusion: This was a swiss movement. I use the phrase 'was. It (as I suspected) had been repaired with Chinese parts and very poorly. I would never ever pay a 'premium' to receive this. It seems to me that whilst these are OLD movements which are then 'repaired' the clones at the very least are 'new'. This means you do not have the whole issue of cleaning the old movements which the Chinese do NOT do.
In my opinion GO FOR THE CLONE. Why pay premium for this!
right if I missed anything let me know!
