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ZF Submariner 116610LV Hulk
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d3s19n
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Feels like ZZF shut ZF factory down. No tds know about when they release. Seems odd... 1 month later than supposed to. ZZF just got their hulk a2836 in stock so maybe this or next week. Fingers crossed.
Agreed. My TD has no idea when they will be available and it seems like are already a month overdue. Praying for a drop this week.
Rehaut already misaligned. Also I can't understand how come factories can't manage to put the serial number in between the freaking minute markers.
I think it's time for a factory to nail this part, jesus.
I think it's time for a factory to nail this part, jesus.
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The rehault being misaligned isn't a big deal. There are many gens known to have the rehault misaglined.
I hate this copy and paste of Gens having the misalignment trying to sound expert. I know how Gens look like, I have a 116610LN (same as Hulk but in Black).
The subject here is the Rep and misalignment, I never mentioned Gen. Just because Gens also have flaws, it doesn't mean they should aim to build a watch with imperfections.
If factories keep aiming for "good enough to sell" products, 50 years down the road we will still have Reps with terrible rehaut aliment and the "experts" wannabe who never had, touched or seen a Gen in real life will be copying and pasting "but gens also have misalignment". These factories are by default lazy, if we customers keep excusing their incompetence we won't see any progress for at least the next 50 years.
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The rehault being misaligned isn't a big deal. There are many gens known to have the rehault misaglined.
That trying to sound expert line is a bit rich coming from someone who posted on reddit a topic entitled Bible submariner comparidon when they have only seen and handled one. Pot kettle black
Kalev007
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You clearly have no clue at all what you're actually talking about.
Rolex sells SS subs for 9 kUSD and for that cost you'll get a strict Geneva QC process and still some flaws escape from that.
Reps are built in illegal "underground" factories in China by minimum wage workers and some QC flaws are passable as gen flaws for 400-500 USD.
They're doing extremely good and it's all down to cost and economics of it not being lazy and incompetent.
Think about that expert.
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You need to stop with your soapbox now. When is the last time a normal person has been constantly staring at their watch rehaut? Holding a $500 rep to standards of perfect rehaut alignment is crazy on your part. You are calling these folks lazy, incompetent when in fact they have produced a replica that can easily be passed on as gen by a majority of the population at a fraction of the filthy premiums that Swiss companies charge. Mainstream factories like Noob, ARF, VRF, GMF etc have been doing a great job to still maintain quality despite the illegal nature of the business and being under constant threat of raids and closures. The real problem is not these factories but unrealistic expectation from customers like you. Start appreciating the larger innovation and advancement (albeit sometimes it is a step backward) coming out of Guangzhou and enjoy the hobby. Your comment about “no progress” is BS. In the last 5 yrs, we have seen true 4130, 3185/3186, PP324 clones, Pepsi/Hulk inserts, almost perfect bracelets, cases, DWs...the list can go on. Rest assured, we will see the trend continuing.
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Pdatoon
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I have written enough about my opinion in regards to Gens and Reps.
I'm glad you read my Bible, I was targeting people like you and I hope you learnt something from it. Tell me expert, Rolex sells for $9k their watches? Wow... How many you own? How much does it cost for them to make each of their watch? (The answer for the question is below so you can start copying and pasting next time someone asks you the question and you'll look very cool and like an expert!) - ignorance is a bliss.
Gens aren't perfect either but surely Rolex doesn't build their watches aiming to have flaws, when there's an imperfection people accept it for the fact that "they bought it from AD" not because that's what Rolex advertises or promises to sell. I personally would never buy a crooked Gen.
Some of you mentioned "when you stare at a rehaut"? Well, there are many people who buy Gens for the merit of having one, not really because of the quality of the watch, it's more to show off and a feeling of achieving success or fulfilment whichever hole they're missing to in their lives. If you check a Rolex forum, you'll see that people get some terribly built pieces (and after they have for a few months they start to complain that things don't feel right! These type of people are exactly what you all are judging from what I read from each of you) which I would never buy watches with such obvious imperfections, furthermore to answer your question, most watch lovers and people who actually admire Rolex by what it truly is instead of the "show off" wannabes who buy just to prove something to people who will never care about it but they need the receipt from the AD to prove they bought a Rolex in their lifetime. When I bought mine I did my inspection of the watch and studied a lot before getting it from the AD. Surely didn't want a terrible cyclops or misaligned rehaut. I honestly would never buy any Gen watch with any imperfection for the price tag they have, maybe that's just me and my OCD or I just value details more than others and the reason I love watches, the details are the most important thing in my eyes.
One of you mentioned progress... Reps have been around for a long time and until now they haven't managed to nail not even 50% of a Submariner which is the Rep flagship model, let alone the whole watch. Still a long way to go! Keep defending these factories and thinking they're Gods and 50 years from now you have the same thing and the usual 1 step forward and 10 steps backwards in future upcoming releases.
Lots of ignorance about prices going on. Holding a Rep for $500 with perfect rehaut is crazy? Crazy is how you spit ignorance with no knowledge of anything whatsoever. Funnily enough that's around the price that costs Rolex (500EUR) to make one and they sell for £7k+. Furthermore I'd like to add because you seem to be those ignorant people who think that Rolex watches are handmade, guess what? No it's the same lovely robots which come from guess where? CHINA dear experts... China... (yes write down on your notepad so next time you can copy and paste what you read from the internet again and you can sound expert)
ZZF for example probably sell their V2 / V2s from $280-330 from factory to TDs, and the TDs sell for $470 to foreigners. In China you can find ZZF V2 / V2s from $380 if you have the right connections but it's difficult to find sellers for high end in person! Surely they can make a better Rep since they've got all the tools or else they wouldn't manage to make what they're currently making, all that is needed is perfectionism and willingness for greatness and not incompetent mindset of making "good enough to sell" pieces. All the nonsense thinking these factories are 2x2 meter square rooms with 1 or 2 workers just proves the amount of ignorance floating in the hair. Actually factories like Noob, ZZF and ARF are very well established factories and they all have the infrastructure to provide better products. Quit your "illegal business" excuse that just proves more and more ignorance. Big deal being illegal, the government that manipulates your little lives are illegal and guess what? Nobody gives a fuck! They keep doing their illegal business because that's how the world runs... In China they don't give a fuck about "illegal Rep factories" because that's how the country runs and in fact brings money to the country, China pretends to care and raid one or two Rep factory here and there... They honestly don't give a shit and love the fact they exist! Just like in South America the government love the drug traffickers, that's the source of income and better GDP. I won't give you life lessons which obviously you need some but you've been around the forum for longer than I have and know less about Rep watches, that shows that some just evolve and learn better than others. Moral of story, enough money flowing to make a Rep with close to no flaw especially given they're from China! Most of you probably have no idea what that means but any educated person who owns business and have been to China before would understand.
ARF for example, often has perfect alignment and good serial number placed however their font and engraving machine is not as good as ZZF for example. Surely they can make it right if "they want to" but they're too lazy and think it's good enough for the "stupid Western foreigners", they keep buying... So why would they bother? - which is fair enough their part, the stupid ones surely are the foreigners who often are uneducated and buy whatever everyone's buying and whatever is popular. If it ain't broke don't fix it... That's their mindset and what they think, however it's clearly broken but you keep sucking their little pee pee... At least if it was a big one I'd understand lol.
I can't care any less about labels of being an "expert" nor consider myself one but surely some just know more than others.
About ZF, hope this one will be a great option available and that they will fix the alignment for the release. We don't need another copy of a copy which is broken such as ZZF V2s. Don't get me wrong ZZF V2s is by far my favourite Rep Hulk but they have to fix that case, rehaut alignment can easily be done if wanted to.
I'm glad you read my Bible, I was targeting people like you and I hope you learnt something from it. Tell me expert, Rolex sells for $9k their watches? Wow... How many you own? How much does it cost for them to make each of their watch? (The answer for the question is below so you can start copying and pasting next time someone asks you the question and you'll look very cool and like an expert!) - ignorance is a bliss.
Gens aren't perfect either but surely Rolex doesn't build their watches aiming to have flaws, when there's an imperfection people accept it for the fact that "they bought it from AD" not because that's what Rolex advertises or promises to sell. I personally would never buy a crooked Gen.
Some of you mentioned "when you stare at a rehaut"? Well, there are many people who buy Gens for the merit of having one, not really because of the quality of the watch, it's more to show off and a feeling of achieving success or fulfilment whichever hole they're missing to in their lives. If you check a Rolex forum, you'll see that people get some terribly built pieces (and after they have for a few months they start to complain that things don't feel right! These type of people are exactly what you all are judging from what I read from each of you) which I would never buy watches with such obvious imperfections, furthermore to answer your question, most watch lovers and people who actually admire Rolex by what it truly is instead of the "show off" wannabes who buy just to prove something to people who will never care about it but they need the receipt from the AD to prove they bought a Rolex in their lifetime. When I bought mine I did my inspection of the watch and studied a lot before getting it from the AD. Surely didn't want a terrible cyclops or misaligned rehaut. I honestly would never buy any Gen watch with any imperfection for the price tag they have, maybe that's just me and my OCD or I just value details more than others and the reason I love watches, the details are the most important thing in my eyes.
One of you mentioned progress... Reps have been around for a long time and until now they haven't managed to nail not even 50% of a Submariner which is the Rep flagship model, let alone the whole watch. Still a long way to go! Keep defending these factories and thinking they're Gods and 50 years from now you have the same thing and the usual 1 step forward and 10 steps backwards in future upcoming releases.
Lots of ignorance about prices going on. Holding a Rep for $500 with perfect rehaut is crazy? Crazy is how you spit ignorance with no knowledge of anything whatsoever. Funnily enough that's around the price that costs Rolex (500EUR) to make one and they sell for £7k+. Furthermore I'd like to add because you seem to be those ignorant people who think that Rolex watches are handmade, guess what? No it's the same lovely robots which come from guess where? CHINA dear experts... China... (yes write down on your notepad so next time you can copy and paste what you read from the internet again and you can sound expert)
ZZF for example probably sell their V2 / V2s from $280-330 from factory to TDs, and the TDs sell for $470 to foreigners. In China you can find ZZF V2 / V2s from $380 if you have the right connections but it's difficult to find sellers for high end in person! Surely they can make a better Rep since they've got all the tools or else they wouldn't manage to make what they're currently making, all that is needed is perfectionism and willingness for greatness and not incompetent mindset of making "good enough to sell" pieces. All the nonsense thinking these factories are 2x2 meter square rooms with 1 or 2 workers just proves the amount of ignorance floating in the hair. Actually factories like Noob, ZZF and ARF are very well established factories and they all have the infrastructure to provide better products. Quit your "illegal business" excuse that just proves more and more ignorance. Big deal being illegal, the government that manipulates your little lives are illegal and guess what? Nobody gives a fuck! They keep doing their illegal business because that's how the world runs... In China they don't give a fuck about "illegal Rep factories" because that's how the country runs and in fact brings money to the country, China pretends to care and raid one or two Rep factory here and there... They honestly don't give a shit and love the fact they exist! Just like in South America the government love the drug traffickers, that's the source of income and better GDP. I won't give you life lessons which obviously you need some but you've been around the forum for longer than I have and know less about Rep watches, that shows that some just evolve and learn better than others. Moral of story, enough money flowing to make a Rep with close to no flaw especially given they're from China! Most of you probably have no idea what that means but any educated person who owns business and have been to China before would understand.
ARF for example, often has perfect alignment and good serial number placed however their font and engraving machine is not as good as ZZF for example. Surely they can make it right if "they want to" but they're too lazy and think it's good enough for the "stupid Western foreigners", they keep buying... So why would they bother? - which is fair enough their part, the stupid ones surely are the foreigners who often are uneducated and buy whatever everyone's buying and whatever is popular. If it ain't broke don't fix it... That's their mindset and what they think, however it's clearly broken but you keep sucking their little pee pee... At least if it was a big one I'd understand lol.
I can't care any less about labels of being an "expert" nor consider myself one but surely some just know more than others.
About ZF, hope this one will be a great option available and that they will fix the alignment for the release. We don't need another copy of a copy which is broken such as ZZF V2s. Don't get me wrong ZZF V2s is by far my favourite Rep Hulk but they have to fix that case, rehaut alignment can easily be done if wanted to.
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Youre a dickhead. Go write Another Bible over on reptime on another rep model you've never owned like you offered to do. From memory you copied and pasted opinions from here .What a self important load of horseshit.