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Why not a 16610 Clone Production?

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Just for the record, I was able to order a JF Kermit no rehaut engravings, a week ago, through a UK based dealer that operates through his own facebook page. The guy is a true watch addict and does some mods and stuff as well. I had mailed Andrew / Trusty Time the day before and he had told me that model was out of stock and unavailable.
I do not know whom he is getting the watch from - but I know he's been selling that model already many times, I saw it regularly in his "UK stock" in the past.
Can you message me his page please. I'm UK based too, so would be nice to know a local dealer / modder.

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I'm happy with my U1 Factory low beat when I want my 5 digit fix!!
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16610 in 904L is next. It will not be a JF this time ;)
 

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Really bud? You print dials with the same process as ROLEX?
Please do share your project dials with the forum.

No bro, I just print with the same technique but not dials. At least not yet, unless there would be need for it.
I wanted to make DW project on ETA 2824/36 for Datejust and Sub/gmt/SD, but then I saw some guy here started it and I thought he will do it. Since it never happened im reconsidering the whole idea again. Just this time ill do it no matter who else might do it cause I know I can make it 100% genlike.
And of course I wont forget to mention KJ2020 cause he gave me that idea in the first place.
 

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Very cheap equipment bro. Know-how is the tricky part

I think there is LOTS of interest from rwi users on how-to print a dial in high quality. Would you care to share your expertise? I would like to custom print a dial as a birthday gift for a friend until next month, but I have no clue on how to print text / graphics on it.
 

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I think there is LOTS of interest from rwi users on how-to print a dial in high quality. Would you care to share your expertise? I would like to custom print a dial as a birthday gift for a friend until next month, but I have no clue on how to print text / graphics on it.

Its not that easy bro, you dont do that for one piece. Preparation is everything and not a short process at all, especially in cases like this when you have to replicate something.
If there would be huge interest in one or two particular dials..... you know what I mean
 

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what MOQ do you think a BIG factory would accept to produce the 16610LN in case we want to have a petition here through a trusted dealer. of course this order will be made according to our specs and within a budget we define.

Maybe around 5000 pieces at least to start, and don't think you get to dictate spec, and won't get the level of QC you'd like unless you are willing to pay double to triple the price.
 
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exia78

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The 904L steel has a higher Rockwell score (for hardness) and is able to have a higher polish and resist scratching more.
This clasp would probably have to still be 316 as the 5 digits were stamped and then folded into shape, not sure you can do that with 904L (but I am guessing) as the modern ones are milled.
I'd be more interested in just the head as something like this would merit frankening and putting a Gen bracelet on it. Just my thinking.

This is NOT correct. 904 is softer than 316 so it scratches way easier than 316L. 904 on the other hand does have a better corrosive resistance than 316 though. I know you probably read the first google result that came up, but you should read pass the first google result that comes up and verify a few more sources.
 

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This is NOT correct. 904 is softer than 316 so it scratches way easier than 316L. 904 on the other hand does have a better corrosive resistance than 316 though. I know you probably read the first google result that came up, but you should read pass the first google result that comes up and verify a few more sources.

Doesn’t 904L have a higher chromium content that 316? Thats why it can achieve a higher shine on the polish, but would also make it harder? Wont be a lot in it, we’re not talking soft stainless vs hardened stainless but it should in theory be a touch harder?
 

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Doesn’t 904L have a higher chromium content that 316? Thats why it can achieve a higher shine on the polish, but would also make it harder? Wont be a lot in it, we’re not talking soft stainless vs hardened stainless but it should in theory be a touch harder?

Had to research this from outside of the forum - exia78 appears to be partially correct

- From the Interwebs here: "The 316L Stainless steel is far less scratch resistant than the 904L because it has a much higher Rockwell hardness. ... The main advantage of 904L over 316L is its resistance to acids: "The addition of copper to this grade gives it greatly improved resistance to strong reducing acids, particularly sulphuric acid."

Chemically:
GradeCMnSiPSCrMo NiCu
316L0.032.00.750.0450.03016.0-18.02.00-3.0010.0-14.0/
904L0.022.01.000.0350.03519.0-23.04.0-5.023.0-28.01.0-2.0


"There is no difference between 316L and 904L steel in strength and hardness. Both of them have similar Rockwell hardness (HRB) which is less than 95 and their tensile strength are both about 490MPa. These properties are specified for flat rolled product (plate, sheet and coil) in ASTM A240/A240M. The specification for pipe and bar is similar but not necessarily identical properties are specified."

TLDR: 904L and 316 have nearly the same strength, but 904 uses additives to resist corrosion and make it easier to polish.

REF:
https://www.lksteelpipe.com/news/what-s-the-difference-between-316l-and-904l-18474464.html
https://www.keepthetime.com/blog/316l-vs-904l-stainless-steel-in-watches/
 

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Doesn’t 904L have a higher chromium content that 316? Thats why it can achieve a higher shine on the polish, but would also make it harder? Wont be a lot in it, we’re not talking soft stainless vs hardened stainless but it should in theory be a touch harder?

Yes, but it is also higher in content of Molybdenum, Nickel, and Copper which gives it the improved resistance to acids. Higher Nickle and Copper would make the 904L softer to my understanding. 316L is considered a tougher, harder steel but it does not have shine and acid resistance of 904L.
 
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Yes, but it is also higher in content of Molybdenum, Nickel, and Copper which gives it the improved resistance to acids. Higher Nickle and Copper would make the 904L softer to my understanding. 316L is considered a tougher, harder steel but it does not have shine and acid resistance of 904L.

Wouldn't that be determined by volume in relation to percentage content?