GMF released a GMT 3186 clone movement

[myarmisshort]

That new thread shows that VRF has not only not fixed their horrific 116710 Batman insert

Are you sure we are talking about the correct thread? The thread im talking about doesnt show a 116710.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/8873309-vrf-batman-is-out

 

[KJ2020]

Are you sure we are talking about the correct thread? The thread im talking about doesnt show a 116710.
https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/rolex-tudor-replicas/8873309-vrf-batman-is-out

The insert is a joke. My comment in the new 126710 Batman thread was that VRF hasn't learned from their previous horrible insert offering in their 116710 Batman. Speed bumps in both, but at least the 116710 had better transitions. IDK how they can try to sell this with a straight face.

https://trustytime.shop/index.php?ma...mt+vrf&x=0&y=0

This product was added to our catalog on Thursday 16 April, 2020.

 

[Hazing]

Thats why I would rather wait a few months for a good VRF one and ahve a great, if not one of the best GMT Rep movements, instead of getting a GMF now.
And thats also what Iam going to do I believe.Ive seen that there has been a new thread opened up about a new VRF 126710BLNR.
Pray that this one will be what a lot of us have been waiting for !

It won’t.

 

[myarmisshort]

https://trustytime.shop/index.php?ma...mt+vrf&x=0&y=0

This product was added to our catalog on Thursday 16 April, 2020.

Apparently this one is the old one right ? (from what ive read on the new thread).
Or Is the new one still as bad as the old one?

 

[KJ2020]

Apparently this one is the old one right ? (from what ive read on the new thread).
Or Is the new one still as bad as the old one?

VRF has released two Batman models. They are not likely going to release another one, or an upgraded one anytime soon.

116710 BLNR ‐ released 4 Nov 2019
126710 BLNR - released 16 Apr 2020

Both have inserts that are not acceptable for use by most members' standards, the 126710 insert being even worse than the 116710.

 

[myarmisshort]

VRF has released two Batman models

So the whole new thread is basically Noob using the VR movement? Im confused because the new thread reads "VRF BATMAN IS OUT", but you are saying that they probably wont release a updated one in the near time.

 

[KJ2020]

So the whole new thread is basically Noob using the VR movement? Im confused because the new thread reads "VRF BATMAN IS OUT", but you are saying that they probably wont release a updated one in the near time.

Think of that other thread as being 3 weeks late and think of it's title as saying "VRF 126710 BATMAN IS OUT"

Then re-read this and let it sink in. Noob isn't any part of this discussion.

VRF has released two Batman models. They are not likely going to release another one, or an upgraded one anytime soon.

116710 BLNR ‐ released 4 Nov 2019
126710 BLNR - released 16 Apr 2020

 

[myarmisshort]

Think of that other thread as being 3 weeks late and think of it's title as saying "VRF 126710 BATMAN IS OUT"

Then re-read this and let it sink in. Noob isn't any part of this discussion.

VRF has released two Batman models. They are not likely going to release another one, or an upgraded one anytime soon.

116710 BLNR ‐ released 4 Nov 2019
126710 BLNR - released 16 Apr 2020

Oh alright gotcha, I thought this was a brand new release.

 

[Noleex]

Well guys... what I learned was there will be no perfect out of the box watch, because if you know it is a rep you will always find and catch things that are different to a gen and you will start or try to solve this issues by buying or waiting for new better improved models. This wait will last forever. We are all waiting for the best out of the box rep but even in the future on new models there will be always pros and cons, some factorys do better bezel other will have better claps and I think that will be also in the next years. Find the best compromise for yourself or mod/fraken it as I did. And I really need to say I still love my Batman same as from the first day and it was not that much more expensive instate of buying new model every half year.

 

[Hazing]

Think of that other thread as being 3 weeks late and think of it's title as saying "VRF 126710 BATMAN IS OUT"

Then re-read this and let it sink in. Noob isn't any part of this discussion.

VRF has released two Batman models. They are not likely going to release another one, or an upgraded one anytime soon.

116710 BLNR ‐ released 4 Nov 2019
126710 BLNR - released 16 Apr 2020

Don't you mean VRF 126710 LN? I know it is weird because there is no LN 126xxx but they released an LN GMT with the "126710" etched ilbetween the lugs.

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[sickopsycho]

Don't you mean VRF 126710 LN? I know it is weird because there is no LN 126xxx but they released an LN GMT with the "126710" etched ilbetween the lugs.

Yeah I have the same watch. I believe VRF called it a 116710ln, and for all that matters, that's what it was. Dial, bracelet, etc all matched that reference. The movement was marked 3186, but of course was a clone 3185. I think the theory is they stamped the case 126710 because they were expecting to release a BLNR and probably didn't want to have to make 2 cases.

 

[KJ2020]

Don't you mean VRF 126710 LN? I know it is weird because there is no LN 126xxx but they released an LN GMT with the "126710" etched ilbetween the lugs.

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No bro, myarmisshort is only interested in a Batman. The VRF engraving flaw has been there since their initial release of the superclone VR3185 models in Nov 2019. The VRF 116710 LN and BLNR both suffer the indignity, VRF either goofed, didn't care, or was planning ahead for the 126710 BLNR which now is out and has the correct lug engraving.

ARF got the engraving right on the 116710 LN. So did GMF on your 116710 BLNR. And I think it's safe to assume the GMF 116710 LN is correctly engraved. VRF just went with the flawed cases, for the models they released first.

 

[Conceyted]

Well guys... what I learned was there will be no perfect out of the box watch, because if you know it is a rep you will always find and catch things that are different to a gen and you will start or try to solve this issues by buying or waiting for new better improved models. This wait will last forever. We are all waiting for the best out of the box rep but even in the future on new models there will be always pros and cons, some factorys do better bezel other will have better claps and I think that will be also in the next years. Find the best compromise for yourself or mod/fraken it as I did. And I really need to say I still love my Batman same as from the first day and it was not that much more expensive instate of buying new model every half year.

Watch looks good. Curious, did you purposely put the 126710 gen hands in a 116710 BLNR? I was thinking you'd source the proper gen hands if you went through the trouble changing them out. Any reason behind this?

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[Dissemination]

Watch looks good. Curious, did you purposely put the 126710 gen hands in a 116710 BLNR? I was thinking you'd source the proper gen hands if you went through the trouble changing them out. Any reason behind this?

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Shoot... Noleex I have gen 116710blnr hands but im going for a 126710blnr build. Let's trade! In any case, nice watch though!

 

[Conceyted]

No problem! I have a modded Daytona with arf bracelet and I've had previous other factory bracelets. GMF is decent enough but arf is king. On both bracelets the clasp is visually great but the tactile feel of the clasp is not as good as arf or gen.

The GMF having very tight tolerances at the case to bracelet point causes a bit if binding to occur on the brand new jubilee, but back and forth movement over a few hours is loosening things up just fine.

I ordered the jubilee as GMF as well hoping that they'd be using the same mounting points on both cases. It's similar enough to work, but there's a bit of movement between case and jubilee. The jubilee also uses very different spring bars just like gen and those were not included in the package so I'm having to order some. Gen gmt jubilee springbars won't fit the gmt oyster models due to different pivot diameters, so I've ordered aftermarket 1.5mm thick springbars with 0.9mm pivot for the correct diameters for bracelet and case. For now I'm using some thinner springbars which works but is not ideal.

Just wanted to bring everyone up to speed on my springbar search. The 1.5mm x 0.9 pivot springbars did not work, they were entirely too thin. It turns out the GMF 116710 BLNR case accepts 1.2mm pivots and I believe those dimensions are not to gen-spec for the 116710. The larger pivot dimensions on the case match the dimension of the 126710 jubilee bracelet. From what I can find on rolexforums, a gen Rolex 116610 (submariner) actually uses a 2.0mm bar x 1.2mm pivot springbar like the one GMF is using in the oyster strap.

Odd, though, as Everest lists one set of "modern rolex style springbars" that are 2.0mm bar x 0.9mm pivot and ssays these work in "Rolex Submariner, Explorer, GMT, and other fine Rolex sports watches." So Everest seems to be suggesting the GMT and Submariner pivots match in diameter, while research shows otherwise. Why is this so complicated! Unfortunately it makes things difficult for those looking to replace their springbars with a set from everest, as the gen GMT springbar will not fit well in the GMF case.

Anyway, this whole GMF "issue" actually makes things simpler for those wanting to try the jubilee from GMF on their 116710 BLNR, as I just used a gen-like Everest 126710 springbars in the GMF jubilee and it snaps right in place. It mucks things up a bit if anyone tries using a different factory bracelet on the GMF case as you'll be needing to find a set of springbars that match the bracelet diameter, (probably 2.0mm) and have 1.2mm pins. So, if you have GMF, it's best you stick with GMF bracelets.

Here's the comparison chart:

	Width	Bar	Pin
GEN 116710 (oyster) GMT bracelet	20.0mm	2.0mm	0.9mm
GMF 116710 (oyster) GMT bracelet	20.0mm	2.0mm	1.2mm
GEN 116610 (oyster) Submariner bracelet	20.0mm	2.0mm	1.2mm
GEN 126710 (jubilee) GMT bracelet	20.0mm	1.5mm	1.2mm
GMF 126710 (jubilee) GMT bracelet	20.0mm	1.5mm	1.2mm

 

[Conceyted]

Shoot... Noleex I have gen 116710blnr hands but im going for a 126710blnr build. Let's trade! In any case, nice watch though!

I took another look and I am wrong. The angle made the minute hand look long like the 126710 but looking at the video again it is indeed short and correct for the gen 116710. Sorry for the scare!

 

[Hazing]

Just wanted to bring everyone up to speed on my springbar search. The 1.5mm x 0.9 pivot springbars did not work, they were entirely too thin. It turns out the GMF 116710 BLNR case accepts 1.2mm pivots and I believe those dimensions are not to gen-spec for the 116710. The larger pivot dimensions on the case match the dimension of the 126710 jubilee bracelet. From what I can find on rolexforums, a gen Rolex 116610 (submariner) actually uses a 2.0mm bar x 1.2mm pivot springbar like the one GMF is using in the oyster strap.

Odd, though, as Everest lists one set of "modern rolex style springbars" that are 2.0mm bar x 0.9mm pivot and ssays these work in "Rolex Submariner, Explorer, GMT, and other fine Rolex sports watches." So Everest seems to be suggesting the GMT and Submariner pivots match in diameter, while research shows otherwise. Why is this so complicated! Unfortunately it makes things difficult for those looking to replace their springbars with a set from everest, as the gen GMT springbar will not fit well in the GMF case.

Anyway, this whole GMF "issue" actually makes things simpler for those wanting to try the jubilee from GMF on their 116710 BLNR, as I just used a gen-like Everest 126710 springbars in the GMF jubilee and it snaps right in place. It mucks things up a bit if anyone tries using a different factory bracelet on the GMF case as you'll be needing to find a set of springbars that match the bracelet diameter, (probably 2.0mm) and have 1.2mm pins. So, if you have GMF, it's best you stick with GMF bracelets.

Here's the comparison chart:

	Width	Bar	Pin
GEN 116710 (oyster) GMT bracelet	20.0mm	2.0mm	0.9mm
GMF 116710 (oyster) GMT bracelet	20.0mm	2.0mm	1.2mm
GEN 116610 (oyster) Submariner bracelet	20.0mm	2.0mm	1.2mm
GEN 126710 (jubilee) GMT bracelet	20.0mm	1.5mm	1.2mm
GMF 126710 (jubilee) GMT bracelet	20.0mm	1.5mm	1.2mm

I think it’s worth mentioning a second (or third) time that the finish on the brushed part of the case and bracelet is different than ARF.

the GMF bracelet is actually very good and they did an excellent job of the brushing which makes it have this titanium style finish on the brushed portions that really seem to give it some character. For that reason (along with the overall quality of the GMF bracelet) I’d suggest not changing to ARF Bracelet. You’ll miss out on the GMF finish and You will have a different finish between the case and bracelet.

also I tried to put on the ARF and the lugs didn’t really match up at all.

it would be nice to get a good jubilee though.

 

[KJ2020]

I think it’s worth mentioning a second (or third) time that the finish on the brushed part of the case and bracelet is different than ARF.

the GMF bracelet is actually very good and they did an excellent job of the brushing which makes it have this titanium style finish on the brushed portions that really seem to give it some character. For that reason (along with the overall quality of the GMF bracelet) I’d suggest not changing to ARF Bracelet. You’ll miss out on the GMF finish and You will have a different finish between the case and bracelet.

also I tried to put on the ARF and the lugs didn’t really match up at all.

it would be nice to get a good jubilee though.

I found this to be true on a recent GMF oyster M2M purchase (watch was fairly new). The color is noticeably brighter than other factories, including ARF. I did polish mine up completely as it had some scratches in it, but that didn't change the color. Very nice bracelet and solid clasp.

Also I was going to mention it before as well, the GMF SEL is a slightly different shape than ARF and a GMF bracelet does not fit an ARF case well so the reverse should be true also. I think we may find the same to be true of a non-GMF jubilee.

 

[KJ2020]

VRF is apparently on their second batch of inserts now. The REALLY awful ones are being put on 116710s now as well. IDK how anyone could possibly be OK with this.

myarmisshort

 

[myarmisshort]

KJ2020 damn those look reaally bad, I wanted to ask you about your opinion about buying the VRF and replacing the insert with a gen or aftermarket one.You think its worth it?