Gen insert, gen crystal and VR3185 with standard VR datewheel.
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ARF GMT 116710 SH3186 photo review
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Gen insert, gen crystal and VR3185 with standard VR datewheel.
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Depends how far you want to go bud. The VR dw is close to gen and gen dial and hands are always the best option if you want to spend that amount but for me I’m not that bothered really. Insert and crystal make a big difference.
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kiz1
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Thanks for sharing. Looks really nice. Does that date wheel look like its been updated? Or is it only the 20s that need a diet?Hello all.
New to this forum, but not new to the rep world. Just got my QA photos from PT for my 5-15 ARF purchase and wanted to share. I'm pleased, I'll update as I see how this post corona shipping works out. PT has done right by me replacing two watches seized by customs btw.
Seriously tempted...
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Can you show us more pics)) it is the best light franken for me!
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Timewellspent
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We expect they will be releasing at least a Pepsi at some point and Batman as well.... hopefully anyway!
I'm not trying to get my hopes up, but the video posted on TDs site looked good when they cycled thru the dates. But IMO if they make a batch, they are gonna use it. If they modify or fix something it's gonna be the BJ3186 or XT3186 superhappymegaclone all of a sudden.
I'll take plenty of pics when it arrives, I wanna get a few HD shots of the SH3186. Is it actually believed that the VR3186 is a better quality movement? Not just finished and polished and assembled from the same parts as the SH3186 in a slightly better fashion? I guess if it is finished and polished better one would have to assume better longevity and smooth action... but a service on an SH3186 or proper operation and setting should give you a comparable life to all other Chinese products to this point.
My question to all is this.. are there any mechanical superiorities besides finish on the VR3186? I've only seen and torn a SA3186 to peices in person. I received one DOA from my TD and decided to dissect it before replacing w the ETA clone. It was low quality thin stamped parts just like every other china and Japa movt. They arent actually machining parts properly like a Gen or ETAx. To those who have seen the sh3186 torn down and possess the knowledge, which parts should be replaced to improve the movt? I'm curious if actual Gen parts would work..
My question to all is this.. are there any mechanical superiorities besides finish on the VR3186? I've only seen and torn a SA3186 to peices in person. I received one DOA from my TD and decided to dissect it before replacing w the ETA clone. It was low quality thin stamped parts just like every other china and Japa movt. They arent actually machining parts properly like a Gen or ETAx. To those who have seen the sh3186 torn down and possess the knowledge, which parts should be replaced to improve the movt? I'm curious if actual Gen parts would work..
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Batman was a little delayed. I’m sure they want to get the insert transition points and blue color as good as the can. Pepsi is said to released after Batman. Shouldn’t be long now
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Batman was a little delayed. I’m sure they want to get the insert transition points and blue color as good as the can. Pepsi is said to released after Batman. Shouldn’t be long now
That sounds great!
I’m not the expert here so another member will be able to give you a more comprehensive answer.
Firstly, the VR3186 does not exist it is actually a VR3185.
The ARF and VRF GMT’s both come with cloned movement. ARF clones the 3186, SH3186. VRF clones the 3185, VR3185.
The 3185 gen is supposed to have a more reliable jumping hour hand due to the module used, whereas the 3186 relies on a single spring to do the jumping hour. This fragility in the spring is exaggerated in rep movements, ie even more fragile. So polish/finish aside (i cant comment that as i dont know) people tend to view the 3185 as more reliable as jumping hour is not dependent on a fragile spring.
Both movements can be made more reliable using gen parts however such is the nature of clone movements.
Hope that helps until one of the more senior members here can provide a better explanation.
EDIT: Sidenote, can not wait to see the ARF pepsi. Pepsi with a cloned movement is next on my list.
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Thanks Goon3r that's great info. It's hard to discern fact from opinion around here sometimes, believe you me I've done my research before buying or posting on this one. finally have a wild hair to make this GMT the most desireable under 1k possible. Hella excited to feel the bracelet, I've always hated rep bracelets and I personally think the 904l steel is gonna be the same difference between a knife, and a Henckels.. so to speak
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Mark1937 Im pretty certain they engraved 3186 on the movement despite it being a clone of the 3185. That is the VR3185 will be engraved 3186.
KJ2020 posted a link to another thread on the previous page about to how to spot the VR3185, i would link but i’m on mobile and its a pain, easy to find, he @‘ed me in it.
EDIT: should have read your quote haha, thats the link im on about. But yes im pretty certain they are the same movement and have always been engraved 3186. Wait for someone more itk to confirm though.
KJ2020 posted a link to another thread on the previous page about to how to spot the VR3185, i would link but i’m on mobile and its a pain, easy to find, he @‘ed me in it.
EDIT: should have read your quote haha, thats the link im on about. But yes im pretty certain they are the same movement and have always been engraved 3186. Wait for someone more itk to confirm though.
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TDs, factories and vendors call the VR an SA3186. The VR has always been engraved 3186. We decided as forum members to call it the VR3185 to easily differentiate between it and the SH/SA 3186. It makes sense to call it a 3185 because the hour jump click is cloned from the gen 3185. The 3186 gen jump click is different and less robust.
Gen jumping hour click springs compared
Gen jumping hour click springs compared