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    116520 Daytona black dials

    Hey guys,

    I am trying to figure out which dial is period correct for my next franken 116520 build so i made this collage. Thought i might share.
    Please note the pics are high-res so you can zoom in to view the details :



    Tag meaning :

    RS - Random serial
    SC - short clasp / old style clasp
    LC - long clasp / current style
    DLE - double line engraving
    NOREH - no rehaut engraving


    More thoughts comming soon.
    Last edited by Spatiumtemporis; 07-01-19, 09:31.

    #2
    ( EDIT- as some mentioned like Marco1937 , the dials can be further differentiated by the 27 and 33 minute markers )

    Here is what i've found so far :

    1. Flat 4 dial serif, most likely 2002

    - the 4 in the 40 of the seconds subdial is flat , upper part of the 4 is flat and wide
    - 'O' in 'oyster' looks to be round
    - 'swiss made' is serif
    - 27 and 33 minute markers are long



    2. Flat 4 dials, ~2003-2005

    - the 4 in the 40 of the seconds subdial is flat , upper part of the 4 is flat and wide
    - 'O' in 'oyster' looks to be more oval than round
    - 'swiss made' is not serif
    - 27 and 33 minute markers are long



    3. I'll call this Higher E or Upper E , 2003-2005

    - The middle line of the E in ROLEX sits just above the midpoint of the letter
    - 27 and 33 minute markers are long
    - 4 in the 40 of the sec subdial is flat as well but the top part is narrower than on the flat 4 dials



    4. Lower E 2007-2009 :

    - The middle line of the E is just below the letter's midpoint
    - 27 and 33 minute markers are short



    5. Let's call this one : the Funny E - 2007 :
    ( i suspect this watch was serviced or something because both dial and hands look like 2002 , dial looks similar to the flat 4 serif one as well.
    The case is indeed a 2007 m serial on this example )


    - the line sits lower as well but the whole font looks different
    - 27 and 33 min markers are long now
    - 'swiss made' is serif



    6. FAT 'O' dials ~2010-2015:

    - 'O' is "OYSTER' looks fat / rounded
    - 27 and 33 min markers are long
    - Rolex coronet has a bigger hole / more rouned as well



    7. FAT 'O' short ticks ~2015 :

    - same as the regular fat 'O' dials but the 27 and 33 min markers are short this time




    8. APH dials ~2010-2015


    - APH letters of the 'cosmograph' word are a bit separated from the rest of the word
    - 'O' in 'Oyster' looks like a 0
    - 27 and 33 minute markers are short




    Diffrences between the 'higher E', 'lower E' and the 'funny E' :

    Last edited by Spatiumtemporis; 07-01-19, 09:25.

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      #3
      Time perios so far for the 116520 black dial watches:

      1. 2002-2004

      - short clasp
      - rehaut not engraved
      - slim hands - green lume
      - flat 4 dial - most likely

      2. 2005

      - no rehaut engraving
      - fat hands - green lume
      - 2005 correct dial
      - short clasp

      3. 2006-2008

      - rehaut is engraved - not random!
      - fat hands - green lume
      - short clasp ( some 2008 have the new styled clapst though...)

      4. 2009-2010

      - engraved serial - not random !
      - fat hands - green lume
      - new style clasp - sanded ( some 2009 still have the old syle clasp )
      - SEL is made out of 3 pieces clamped together !! - same goes for the older models as well.

      5. 2011-2013 ( lume transitional period )

      - you cand find both 2011 and 2012 with green lume hands and dials . Even some early daytons sold in 2013 were green but most likely these were made back in 2012.
      - rehaut is engraved - random serial
      - new style clasp - sanded
      - aph , fat 'O' and the maybe the remaining dials can be found on these daytonas.
      - SEL can be made out of 3 pieces clamped together on some 2011 models / SEL will be milled out of 1 single piece for the later modes.

      6. 2014-2015

      - rehaut engraved - random serial
      - fat hands ( blue lume )
      - new style clasp - sanded

      7. 2016

      - reahut may be laser etched - not sure
      - fat hands ( blue lume)
      - new style clasp - polished

      Please feel free to chime in and share your thoughts !
      Last edited by Spatiumtemporis; 07-01-19, 14:11.

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        #4
        Great work!

        This is why noob only really have to get the ROLEX, actually just the RO in ROLEX right and they've got a passable dial, as the subdials can be explained away as dial variations

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          #5
          awesome work & should be sticky...!

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            #6
            Nice thread, are you sure about the sanded clasp on 2015 models? Arent they polished?

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              #7
              Great piece of work n information about 116520. Subscribed this thread for sure.

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                #8
                Thanks guys ! gekkehenkie i'm pretty sure 2015 models had a sanded claps yes. 2015 subs had the sanded clasp as well.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Spatiumtemporis View Post
                  Thanks guys ! gekkehenkie i'm pretty sure 2015 models had a sanded claps yes. 2015 subs had the sanded clasp as well.
                  This is a 2015 model and it seems polished to me: https://www.chrono24.com/nl/rolex/ro...-id5906183.htm

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                    #10
                    *** I've edited the 1st post to include these findings as well :


                    I've managed to find yet another difference between the dials of the last ( 4th remaining category ) caterogy as follows :

                    4. I'll call this Higher E or Upper E ( The middle line of the E in ROLEX sits just above the midpoint of the letter )



                    5. Lower E ( The middle line of the E is just below the midpoint )



                    6. Let's call this one : the Funny E ( the line sits lower as well but the whole font looks different )



                    Diffrences between the 3 categories above :



                    If you guys can spot other differences as well please feel free to post them.
                    Last edited by Spatiumtemporis; 07-01-19, 09:33.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by gekkehenkie View Post

                      This is a 2015 model and it seems polished to me: https://www.chrono24.com/nl/rolex/ro...-id5906183.htm
                      This is sanded as well. The polished ones Don't have that black font.

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                        #12
                        Great job.
                        Now you have to also differentiate them for short / long minutes at 27 - 33.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Marco1937 View Post
                          Great job.
                          Now you have to also differentiate them for short / long minutes at 27 - 33.
                          wow, thx. haven't seen that .

                          1st post was edited. Please take a look and let me know if you see something else. Cheers!
                          Last edited by Spatiumtemporis; 07-01-19, 09:33.

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                            #14
                            Amazing job, you can now do it with white dials as well

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Seefeld View Post
                              Amazing job, you can now do it with white dials as well
                              i will at some point

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