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New SUB VRF

the massakretor

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Not the best result I wanted lol, I have the ARF 116610LV already and the VRF arrived today with the view I could transfer my ARF bracelet onto it and get a prof Xtal installed and maybe a gen DW but given the breakdown from occb2 it's not quite the watch it appeared to have been so it look like I'll have to decide which one to keep and which one to sell lol.

This is the first time a watch has arrived and I've not ripped the packaging off lol, I'll wait till I get home from work to have a proper look.

Oh and the paperwork says mine has an amplitude of 224 and a beat error of 0.3ms but I'll verify that when I get it home but imho it shouldn't have passed QC being so low.
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Please post picture comparison of the two, expecially on wrist and natural light.

I am very not sure which one to buy

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sfgerl

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It would be great to see a photo of it out of the box and without the bezel protector...
 

Beano2278

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So after getting home I can only create artificial light for now as it's dark here, but the ARF is on the right, VRF on the left, the 20 date is also the VRF and 16 ARF.

Just put this on a timegrapher and it's not aweful, tried in all different positions and the beat error is anywhere from 0.0 to 0.5ms, the seconds per day is from -5 to -12 and the amplitude range from 249 to 217.

The sels are shite to say the least and the DW is way off when you get it in the right angle, way to low and slightly lower on the right but the font is very nice.

The hands are very flat on the VRF and noticeably slimmer than the ARF, the dials look very similar in this light but bezel feels nicer to turn on the VRF.

So I'm new to this but this thing about the date taking till 3am to flip fully but i can confirm if I wind the hands manually past midnight mine flips over like a rocket at 11:59pm, if I set it to 11:55pm and watch it flip over naturally it also performs the same, not sure if this is the same.
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Beano2278

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Tried to fit the ARF bracelet and it's quite tight but does improve the looks however the pins don't engage properly into the lug holes.

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Smpfan

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Beano2278 Many thanks for comparison!

My own contest:

Insert: VRF, ARF engravings not centered, too deep, color off
Dial: on par
Rehaut engravings: on par
Hands: VRF, ARF hour hand too slim
Lugs: VRF by miles, ARF far to fat, short, wrong angled
SEL Fitment: ARF by miles
Surface finish: ARF by miles
Crown position: VRF, ARF too low although 2824 with correct stem height inside
Crown guards top view: VRF
Crown guards side view: ARF, VRF missing angles
Crystal: on par
Cyclops and AR: ARF for me
Date font and position: on par, both imperfect
Movement ootb: ARF, by miles

Viewed from this points both watches are on par. But both are far away from perfection. Both have got major flaws I can‘t accept nor I can simply improve them.

ARF: Major flaw for me are the boxy lugs. Ugly as hell. And the not centered insert engravings.

VRF: Major flaw is bad SEL fitment. Very difficult to improve. Movement ootb imop unreliable.

Conclusion for me: I won‘t buy one of these watches. Better waiting for new versions.


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sfgerl

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You case lugs and SEL look better than Rob's :confused:

Please post more pictures when you have it on hand.

I thought so too. I will be getting it this Thursday or Friday, will post photos on Saturday... I got mine from Ryan at InTime, who claimed in the past to have an "in" of some sorts with VRF; Rob got his from PT. Can't imagine that makes a difference, but ????
 

Wildcatfan

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So after getting home I can only create artificial light for now as it's dark here, but the ARF is on the right, VRF on the left, the 20 date is also the VRF and 16 ARF.

Just put this on a timegrapher and it's not aweful, tried in all different positions and the beat error is anywhere from 0.0 to 0.5ms, the seconds per day is from -5 to -12 and the amplitude range from 249 to 217.

The sels are shite to say the least and the DW is way off when you get it in the right angle, way to low and slightly lower on the right but the font is very nice.

The hands are very flat on the VRF and noticeably slimmer than the ARF, the dials look very similar in this light but bezel feels nicer to turn on the VRF.

So I'm new to this but this thing about the date taking till 3am to flip fully but i can confirm if I wind the hands manually past midnight mine flips over like a rocket at 11:59pm, if I set it to 11:55pm and watch it flip over naturally it also performs the same, not sure if this is the same.
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The case lugs on the VRF look thicker and the space between looks narrower like it wasn't machined out to the correct spacing. Maybe that can be fixed by Jon or someone that does case work
 

DC109

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Thanks to all, especially Rob, for the interesting info!

Here's a question for anyone who has already gotten their VRF, and who also has either a Noob or ARF: can you post pictures of the bracelet SELs lined up next to each other with the pin holes aligned? It would be great to see if the VRF SEL is oversized like the Noob, which would explain the lack of SEL gap. I realize the VRF case too narrow for another bracelet to fit correctly, but I'm curious if the SEL gap would be correct if the ARF (or even an old V6s) bracelet were modified and mounted.
 
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lamkinpark

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Received my QC photos today and I had approved it. Just to share to all how is LN look like. Hopefully the date flip at mid night.
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Received my QC photos today and I had approved it. Just to share to all how is LN look like. Hopefully the date flip at mid night.
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Looks good. Only thing I see wrong at the moment is the date wheel is off. Top has lot more room than bottom. Besides that looks good.
 

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Thanks to all, especially Rob, for the interesting info!

Here's a question for anyone who has already gotten their VRF, and who also has either a Noob or ARF: can you post pictures of the bracelet SELs lined up next to each other with the pin holes aligned? It would be great to see if the VRF SEL is oversized like the Noob, which would explain the lack of SEL gap. I realize the VRF case too narrow for another bracelet to fit correctly, but I'm curious if the SEL gap would be correct if the ARF (or even an old V6s) bracelet were modified and mounted.

The VRF case didn't fit the noob bracelet. The VRF case was too small by a tad. Yea I could force it but I don't want to destroy of mark up the beauty ARF 904 97200's end links. Never the less they won't align to the cut out pin holes for the push pins.

The VRF I got has bad SEL. The band from the VRF fit the noob and the ARF case but left space due to being a tad smaller.

Yes you can send it all out to me worked and end up with a great watch. I might be doing that due to the fact that the VRF took a real crystal and noob crystal ring and bezel which means a real one should fit fine.
 
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occb2

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Also I reached out to Ryan to see if he can grab me a VRF LN. Would love to compare it to my all real minus the V9 904 noob 116610 case. So far I love that one the best. I got one of the first and it has perfect SEL and CG's. I threw in a real bezel and crystal and crystal ring and real 97200 and dial and hands and 3135 and crown. Not a tube though. I changed the clicks to real clicks. So only can is not Rolex. That is my go to watch every day. I would love to compare that to the VRF.
 
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It would be this part most likely.

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Beano2278

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The case lugs on the VRF look thicker and the space between looks narrower like it wasn't machined out to the correct spacing. Maybe that can be fixed by Jon or someone that does case work
That's my assumption here, when I put the ARF bracelet in place it's definitely tight, I'm now of the opinion my ARF is my day to day wearer and I'll look the Franken the VRF.

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Tin

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Such a disappointment.

Received the watch and was trying to set the time and date. Then the dreadful feeling came up when I turned the crown. I have an ETA2836 Noob V7 SubC so I knew immediately that something was wrong when I tried to set the date on the "VR3135".

Opened up the caseback and sure enough, A2836 movement instead of the VR3135 that I ordered. Utterly disappointed. Got the USD358 watch instead of the USD518 watch that I ordered.

Now I'm just hoping to sort it out with the TD.


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lamkinpark

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Tin , how could that be possible? Can we know which TD u use and show us some bigger photos of it?
 

Tin

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TD's response is they ordered VR3135 from the maker and that's the watch they gave me. This leads me to believe either they didn't bother checking the movement or didn't take note that is supposed to be the VR3135 movement instead is A2836. We all know how different these 2 movements perform.

I'm not sure why but RWI doesn't let me upload pics bigger than 100kb lol I had to resize my pics smaller to post here.

Anyway TD said he's gonna get someone to pick it up from me locally then refund me. Shall see how it goes but I'm definitely disappointed because I bought from them quite a few times and they've been okay.
 
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