Ginault for 14060 build?

[k4jun]

As we know there is no correct rep 14060 case.
How about the no date models from Ginault. Has anyone been able to compare is his case similar to 16610, or similar to 14060 case?

 

[Maron]

As we know there is no correct rep 14060 case.
How about the no date models from Ginault. Has anyone been able to compare is his case similar to 16610, or similar to 14060 case?

I would bet my next paycheque the cases are the same specs


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[JoeyT]

As we know there is no correct rep 14060 case.
How about the no date models from Ginault. Has anyone been able to compare is his case similar to 16610, or similar to 14060 case?

I want that insert. Its a beauty

 

[k4jun]

Let's make it more tangible.

	No Date	Date
Bezel Diameter	39.50mm	40.00mm
Insert Internal Dia	29.70mm	30.70mm
Insert External Dia	36.55mm	37.65mm
Crystal Diameter	29.00mm	30.00mm
Visible Dial	25.50mm	26.50mm
Case Size	39.50mm	39.50mm
Lugs Holes	Yes	No (since ~2001)
Thickness	12.20mm	12.55mm

The Date sub midcase is taller and the Date bezel is taller, but do not know the exact sizes.

Anyone disassembled Ginault ?

 

[pompompurin]

I have seen another member (@2fake4u if I recall correctly) sold a franken ginault with Rolex 16610 dial and sh3135. Based on the inference that the 16610 dial fits the ginault (with some extra spaces behind the minute/seconds dashes), I am inclined to believe that a gen 14060 dial will fall through the ginault's rehaut opening.

IMO based on various factors, uncertainties, and headaches, it is better to build a 5513 instead

Edit: here is the link https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...-jf-gen-mashup

 

[k4jun]

2fake4u yours Ginault was Date/No date model?

 

[tom_cat]

Someone please find out if they are the same spec and Ill all over this to franken it up

 

[domsdaddy123]

Someone please find out if they are the same spec and Ill all over this to franken it up

Just my 2 cents but if your going that direction, to Franken it, I would seriously advise you to grab a SH 3135 JF 16610. It will be much, much less than the Genault and you will get correct hands, a easily Frankend 3135, bezel, insert, croqn, clasp...all is pretty good and the SEL and case shape is pretty good too...this will save you so much $$ being anle to use correct Rolex rep parts until you get around to swapping out Gen.


but having Genault specs would be interesting..

good luck!!
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[tom_cat]

Just my 2 cents but if your going that direction, to Franken it, I would seriously advise you to grab a SH 3135 JF 16610. It will be much, much less than the Genault and you will get correct hands, a easily Frankend 3135, bezel, insert, croqn, clasp...all is pretty good and the SEL and case shape is pretty good too...this will save you so much $$ being anle to use correct Rolex rep parts until you get around to swapping out Gen.


but having Genault specs would be interesting..

good luck!!
..

Thanks for your input my friend, sorry for confusion. For 16610, yes I already have super franken based JF (JJS Modded) 16610 but would like to try this Ginault no date sub to see whether it compatible with rolex 14060 parts

 

[domsdaddy123]

Thanks for your input my friend, sorry for confusion. For 16610, yes I already have super franken based JF (JJS Modded) 16610 but would like to try this Ginault no date sub to see whether it compatible with rolex 14060 parts

Well, the only part your really using as "compatible" is the case and tube, right? Will the case take a 3135? Probably, after a custom holder and maybe a little lathe? The tube you could swap out gen..keep the xtal? Thsts s dice roll..

overall I dont see the point in taking the risk, just for a case. The JF is close enough and we already know it takes 3135, xtsl sel is good, tube ect, ect...to spend the bigger $$ on Genault just for the case seems silly especially when the JF looks pretty good on the wrist...i would bet big moneyh no one can call out a 16610 case with no date dial! I mean they are super close...

just my 2 cents...am I missing something? If not you can always buy both and some gen parts and see if the yuki will go in, then just sell the extra parts or build out a cool hybrid JF/ Genault, lol!!

all the best luck!!

 

[pompompurin]

From my subjective and untested opinion, regardless of the ginault is date/no-date version, the rehaut diameter on all ginault cases looks too wide for accommodating a 14060 dial.

Cosmetically, the JF 16610 V1-v3 is a no-go either. Even if the 14060 dial is held strongly onto the SH3135 movement, the standard 16610 bezel and rehaut diameter + case specs would make the watch look weird.

There is this peculiar charm with the gen 14060: it may look similar to a 16610, but the proportions are slightly different.

If no-date sub is your thing, then 5513 is the better route IMO

 

[SuperLory]

there is this peculiar charm with the gen 14060: It may look similar to a 16610, but the proportions are slightly different.

this.

​​​​​​​we f need a proper rep of a 14060 for f sake

 

[Smpfan]

I think Ginault only would be a good base watch for a 16610 build. And I guess it can take a 3135. It‘s constructed similar to TC‘s Submariner. There’s a movement holder inside which is fitted like a gen 3135 movement. And the 2824 is fitted to this holder. And so I guess TC is standing somewhere behind Ginault.


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[k4jun]

Well, the only part your really using as "compatible" is the case and tube, right? Will the case take a 3135? Probably, after a custom holder and maybe a little lathe? The tube you could swap out gen..keep the xtal? Thsts s dice roll..

overall I dont see the point in taking the risk, just for a case. The JF is close enough and we already know it takes 3135, xtsl sel is good, tube ect, ect...to spend the bigger $$ on Genault just for the case seems silly especially when the JF looks pretty good on the wrist...i would bet big moneyh no one can call out a 16610 case with no date dial! I mean they are super close...

just my 2 cents...am I missing something? If not you can always buy both and some gen parts and see if the yuki will go in, then just sell the extra parts or build out a cool hybrid JF/ Genault, lol!!

all the best luck!!

Photo borrowed from the next door. This is a No Date rep case, which is 16610 spec, mind a gap between the dial and the rehaut.
pompompurin is right it will be the same for JF as it is 16610 spec too.
The core is to find a case which can accomodate the gen 14060 dial without a visible gap.

 

[k4jun]

Just noticed JoeyT has a no date Ginault FS
Any chance can you comment how this case compares to JF or TC 16610?

 

[JoeyT]

Just noticed JoeyT has a no date Ginault FS
Any chance can you comment how this case compares to JF or TC 16610?

I held it side by side wih a TC LV V5 and couldnt fnd an difference really. I didnt have calipers to get exact measurements but visually it was the same.

 

[k4jun]

I held it side by side wih a TC LV V5 and couldnt fnd an difference really. I didnt have calipers to get exact measurements but visually it was the same.

Case closed then, cheers for the input.

 

[Maron]

There’s no way ginault would Invest in having two cases made and holding double the inventory because Rolex did.

And even if the case was made like a 14060, instead of a 16610, Joey would never see that difference comparing the two assembled watches by eye


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[2fake4u]

2fake4u yours Ginault was Date/No date model?

it was the date model.

 

[solipsistic]

IMO based on various factors, uncertainties, and headaches, it is better to build a 5513

I came to the same conclusion, but after already buying a 14060 dial :/

So here’s my gen 14060 dial installed (without shaving the dial) in a modded cartel case