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Do all 16803/8 has lug holes?

Alexsuh

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Hello,
I was building 16613 but found 16803/8 dial on eBay at good price. But My base will be jf so no lug hole. I tried to search the one without lug holes but all those models have lug holes. So I really want to ask to sub experts about this question. Thanks!!

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another point worth noting:

since the 16803 dials were made for 3035 movement and the JF uses a 3135 clone, you will need to shorten the dial feet on the 16803 just a little. 3035 dials have longer dial feet

i know for a fact because i have a gen 16803 dial at home and it has longer dial feet than a 3135 dial - this makes the 16803 dial stick out of the 3135 clone movement if its feet aren't shortened

http://www.watchstyler.com/differenc...ick-set-dials/

and yes you will need to have lug holes drilled into the case if you want to build a 16803 or a 16613 with T<25 dial
 
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Alexsuh

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another point worth noting:

since the 16803 dials were made for 3035 movement and the JF uses a 3135 clone, you will need to shorten the dial feet on the 16803 just a little. 3035 dials have longer dial feet

i know for a fact because i have a gen 16803 dial at home and it has longer dial feet than a 3135 dial - this makes the 16803 dial stick out of the 3135 clone movement if its feet aren't shortened

http://www.watchstyler.com/differenc...ick-set-dials/

and yes you will need to have lug holes drilled into the case if you want to build a 16803 or a 16613 with T<25 dial

Thank you. Your info really makes me to decide easy.
 

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All facts from PPP. The above road bumps can be cleared easily. If the dial is truly a 16083 dial & not an early 16613, you can shave the feet down a bit to fit a 3135 movement. For the lug holes, hola at JMB. He can help you drill the lugs out.

Now for the hardest part...you need an open 6&9 Datewheel for 3135. They are so f#$king hard to get.


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Now for the hardest part...you need an open 6&9 Datewheel for 3135. They are so f#$king hard to get.


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Are the 3035 and 3135 Datewheels interchangeable ?
 

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Aaach, right! I forgot about that, thanks.

Anytime. I have a 3035 date wheel with open 6 and 9's. I wish that it worked! LOL. The thing is if he is building a 16803 then he would want a 3035. The date wheels are easy too find. Now if he is going too use a ETA they have the date wheel on ebay for the layover date wheel.
 

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another point worth noting:

since the 16803 dials were made for 3035 movement and the JF uses a 3135 clone, you will need to shorten the dial feet on the 16803 just a little. 3035 dials have longer dial feet

i know for a fact because i have a gen 16803 dial at home and it has longer dial feet than a 3135 dial - this makes the 16803 dial stick out of the 3135 clone movement if its feet aren't shortened

http://www.watchstyler.com/differenc...ick-set-dials/

and yes you will need to have lug holes drilled into the case if you want to build a 16803 or a 16613 with T<25 dial

What about 16610 w/ t<25 dial? The frankens w/o lug holes with t<25 dial is technically wrong?
 

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All facts from PPP. The above road bumps can be cleared easily. If the dial is truly a 16083 dial & not an early 16613, you can shave the feet down a bit to fit a 3135 movement. For the lug holes, hola at JMB. He can help you drill the lugs out.

Now for the hardest part...you need an open 6&9 Datewheel for 3135. They are so f#$king hard to get.


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YES they are !
Open 6/9 3135 dw's are "very" hard to find.

I found a seller with 3 of them....of course I landed one.
Let me see if I can find something in paypal....don't recall the seller as this transpired before forum exile.
( and I'll prop outstanding community pillar occb2 for starting it all with his making that freshly serviced Cal.3135 mvt available to me. Thanks again Brother.)
 
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yup they are mismatched and not period correct

all retail/production t<25 16610 has lug holes

There is ONE exception....and I'm basing my Genkenstein using the Phong and everything else gen 1989 date era correct.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLEX-SUBMA...sAAOSw~4taVgss

OOPS....I misread that....you "are" correct, sir.
All 16610's that came with T<25 dials would have also came with lug holes.

I was referring to the elusive 16610, 3135, T<25 set up with open 6 and 9......very rare but they do exist.

Granted...it takes more than drilling lugs on a 16610 case and using the trit set up to replicate a 16800/803/808/168000.
They're never really "correct" due to the differences in the thickness of the mvts Cal.3035 and 3135...hence the differences in rehaut depth.
 
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There is ONE exception....and I'm basing my Genkenstein using the Phong and everything else gen 1989 date era correct.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLEX-SUBMA...sAAOSw~4taVgss

OOPS....I misread that....you "are" correct, sir.
All 16610's that came with T<25 dials would have also came with lug holes.

I was referring to the elusive 16610, 3135, T<25 set up with open 6 and 9......very rare but they do exist.

Granted...it takes more than drilling lugs on a 16610 case and using the trit set up to replicate a 16800/803/808/168000.
They're never really "correct" due to the differences in the thickness of the mvts Cal.3035 and 3135...hence the differences in rehaut depth.

Very true in regards to the rehaut depth.

ST 16803 case, heavy Franken, next to R Fac 16613.

16613 is on bracelet, 16803 on NATO.



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