Hi RWI People
Today i wanna Present you the Big Noob SubC v6s Thread...
So first of all let me say many many Thanks to Agnus from PureTime Watches...
He Manage all the Stuff with the Factory to get the Noob v6s as this what it is now!!!
So I would welcome it, if you want to order the New Noob SubC v6s... That you do the Order Please by PureTime !!!
I know that there will be some TDs have the Watch maybe for a few Bugs less!
But i would give back Agnus some little appreciation for all his Work!
Remeber that he read all our Talkings that i and smoke did... He followed us on the Forums and write Down what´s needed to change and what not.
This Background Information he gave to the Factory and he try´ed to do the best Possible with the Factory.
Remeber! Agnus don´t Work for or with the Factorys directley! He can only tell them things and he can only hope that they hear them!
So I can only say it again... If you think about an Order of the v6s do the Order by PureTime...
This should be no advertising! I respect all other TDs! They do also good Buisness! But this Baby was born by Agnus
Ok... So let´s come now to the Facts
I Split the Review in Differnt Steps, so that we can handle better the differents.
The Main Comparision is Based on the New Noob SubC v6s SA3135 the A2836 comes more as Addon.
I don´t want to do the conclusion now! I will do that to the End
So you can think of all the Differents self first.
Ok so let´s Start with:
- First Impression
The first Impression was WOW
There are many Updates that Spring directley into your Eye
But many good updates have also some Bad Downgrades :-/
But the most of them Updates in my Eyes.
The first things that i saw will to discuss later
- SA3135 Caseback
So let´s open up the Caseback
The first thing i noticed at opening the Caseback was, that the teeths of the Caseback are now much better and a little wider as the most Rep Casebacks.
The RLX Opener grabs absolut Perfect the teeths of the Caseback. It´s the same feeling as open up the GEN Caseback.
The Engrave inside of the Caseback are now much sharper Looks really great.
- SA3135 Check at the Timegraph
Short Check at the Timegraph
So as we see the Timing Pics are not the best
An Plus of 34Sec/Day... This doesn´t worrie me too much but the Line are not Nice That means the Movement isn´t really nice Cleaned.
- SA3135 First look at the Movement
Ok the first look at the Movement is for an Watchsmith that know the GEN Movements an little Joke
I mean it brings you a little smile at your Face everytime. The Movement isn´t Bad at all but it is also not the Best.
But as Far East Imitation it is one of the Best Movements.
The Movement should be an 1:1 Clone of the Rolex 3135 Movement. But for an 1:1 Clone it is really far away, because the SA3135 doesn´t Accept any GEN Rolex 3135 Movement Part.
- SA3135 Near look to the Movement
So as we can see the Movement isn´t in Best Condition when they arrive from the Factory.
Dirt everywhere, no good oiling and Lubicate.
The Autowinding Mechanisem is far far away from the GEN
They don´t Build in an Jewel on the Top Plate for the DateWheel. That´s why the DateWheel have at the Edges no White Paint.
Good Point is you can swap the Rep DateWheel to an GEN RLX DW it Fit Perfect, and so we can Eliminate the Bad Typo.
- GEN vs Rep Movement (SA3135)
So let us make an short Comparison btw the GEN 3135 and the SA3135
You can clearly see the GEN have an much much better Finish and the Parts that you look at, you can see with the Nacked Eye that these are Quality Parts.
Also the Front side looks much better at only an short Comparision
- GEN vs Rep DW (SA3135)
Here we see the different btw the GEN RLX 3135 DW and the SA3135 DW
The GEN is Complete White and the Print is very fine and nice.
- SA3135 Added GEN DW
Here we see the Added GEN 3135 DW at the SA3135 Movement.
It Fit Perfect and Rotate very nice and freely. But you will lost with the Time the White Color at the Edges.
Because you can clearly see there is no Jewel that hold the DW in Position they did an Brass Pinion.
- SA3135 Steam
The Steam is an Big problem if they break to short at the thread
So you can see that the Complete Build is different to the GEN Steam... The Lenght is also wrong!
You can´t add an GEN 3135 Steam into the SA3135!
- SA3135/2836 Tube
The Tube is nothing Spectacular it´s the same as on the last Cases. It have GEN Specs and accept an GEN Crwon without probs.
- SA3135/2836 Crown
The Crown has updated too... In my Eyes it´s one of the best Rep Crowns on the Market in look... But the Crowns have the same prob as the old Crowns!
They Slip after an short Time... I Prefer to Swap it to an GEN
- Noob v3 Crown
Here we see the Noob v3 Crown... In my Eyes the new Crown looks better because the Hole of the v6s is bigger
- GEN Crown
And here we have an Brand new Sealed Crown (Not soooo good Visible) and an GEN used Crown but both are GEN 704
- SA3135/A2836 Lug Engrave
Ok so let us come a little closer to the Case self.
The Lug Engrave seems like as did it your Kid with an Knife
When you look normaly at the Lugs with the Naked Eye you think the Engrave is much better, but at an closer look we´ll see that the Typo isn´t really nice.
- SA3135 Lug Holes
The Lug Holes are nothing Special, they are frayed but ok no one will see this
- SA3135/A2836 Lug Shape
Ok so let us check the Lug shape... This is AMAZING! The first impression comes truth! The Shape is near like the GEN
There did Noob an Absolut AMAZING Job! And i hope they will do that at all the upcoming Models.
Not only the deep Lines are Perfect, also the side cut it really Perfect!
- SA3135 Disassembled Crystal
Ok so let´s Disassemble the Crystal.
We see that the Case have GEN Specs.
Same Construction as the GEN.
- SA3135/A2836 Crystal Hight Standart
The Crystal came off with the Retainer etc.
So we can see the Standart Crystal Hight. The Hight is Incorrect to the GEN but can be Fixed
Not all v6s came with these Crystal Hight! Some are lower some are higher.
The prob Can be solved by the Crystal Gasket
- SA3135/2836 The Bezel Parts
Here we see the Parts, same as the GEN have... But here are also the size of the Retainer isn´t GEN like!
That means if you wanna Install an GEN Bezel you can´t do this without the GEN Retainer Ring.
Otherwise the Bezel will be loosen and Move up and down alot.
- SA3135/A2836 Retainer
Here we see that the GEN Retainer have an much smaller inner Ring and so the GEN Hyrtel Ring is also smaller and Fot Perfect to that Ring
The Rep Retainer use an much thicker Hyrtel Ring, so if you add the GEN Bezel with the small Hyrtel you have much Play as i already said.
- SA3135/A2836 Crystal Cyclope
The AR on the new Crystals is at a few different Angles not Bad... But it´s far away from the GEN I prefer the Swap to an GEN Crystal.
- SA3135/A2836 Crystal LEC
The Crystal LEC of the Rep Crystal is poor as hell... Thr older Noob Crystals was near Perfect.
- SA3135/A2836 Crystal Size
The Crystal Size is near the GEN with 2,07 the GEN should have 2,0mm but there are also differents.
- SA3135/A2836 Gasket Size
The Gasket Size is the prob why the Crystal sits to High the GEN have here 2,7mm so we must change the Gasket or shape it down and we´ll have the Perfect Hight
- SA3135/A2836 Click Spring
The Click Springs are same as ever... We have the Springs and Pins Seperated... The GEN Springs have the Pin and Spring Soldered. The Click Spring self is the same.
- SA3135/A2836 Bezel Teeth
The Bezel Teeths are wrong as always! The Angle of the drilled Part is wrong that you can see clearly... And when you take an closer look to the Bezel you´ll see that the
Outer Part of the Rep Bezel is smaller as the GEN. So that´s an Point why the whole Bezel don´t look like the GEN.
The Second Point is the shape of the teeths self. The GEN teeths have horizontal lines! That means the Drill comes to the Bezel from the side and move after the teeth is drilled
side ways away. The Rep Bezel will be drilled from Top to Bottom and this gives the Bezel some vertical lines.
Many People think the GEN Bezel is Polished inside the teeths, they are not Polished! The horizontal lines Break the Light and that let them looks like it is Polished.
Because the rest of the Bezel have also Horizontal Lines (Finsih)
- SA3135 Bezel Backside v6s
The Bezel Backside got an very nice improvement of the SA3135... But this is only at the SA3135 the A2836 have these old poor Bezel teeth from the backside...
Now you think who cares the backside of the Bezel?! it cares in my Eyes much!
Because these little teeths makes these nice CLICK CLICK of the Bezel when you Rotate them.
So the SA3135 have an absolut GEN Feeling on that... The Springs self are not so important on that!
- A2836 Bezel Backside v6s
Here we see the poor Quality of the A2836 Bezel teeths... These not to fine teeths makes also an little Play...
So i hope that Noob add the new Bezel of the SA3135 to all the new Watches.
- Bezel Size
So the size of the Bezels are also different! The SA Bezel came here also much closer to the GEN
GEN - 40,32
SA - 40,33
A2836 - 40,36
- Ceramic Inserts GEN vs Rep (SA3135/A2836)
Ok here we see now the different Bezel Inserts
Left = Older v5/6 with Silver DLC
Middle = GEN
Right = New v6s Silver/Platinum Mix DLC
The Quality of the cutted Numbers are not better as before, but the Size of the Numbers are now Perfect! And the little little Darker Silver/Brownish Mix comes closer to the
GEN look... So at the Pics you can see clearly that nothing Beat the GEN Color but for the Daily Life the new Insert is absolut Perfect.
But the Insert have also big probs with stress cracking
The Ceramic is too Hard... The different btw the GEN and the Rep is that the Ceramic of the GEN will Produced with much better and Complicated Ceramic Ovens.
To tell all the different Prozesses how and what the different makes it would take another few sites so the Main different to make it short is.
The GEN Ceramic will be Burned with much higher Heat, and this makes an Ceracrom of the Insert... The GEN Insert you can almost bent hehe the Rep will Break into
1000 Pieces if you push them a little to Hard.
So the GEN Ceramic is 38,08mm the
Rep is 38,03mm
- SA3135 Dial
Ok so let´s come to the Dial...
About the Dial is not much to say... I didn´t want to show you now all the differents on that Dial. The Dial is an Fantasy Dial and so there is no need to Discuss about a lot.
It is in and you can live with it or not. If you want use the Rep as Standart as it is i would Prefer the A2836
Becaue the 2836 Dial is ok... Also not 100% Perfect but much much better as this one.
- SA3135 Canon Pin Hight
The CP Hight is surley Perfect same as on the GEN... Ok the SA3135 Emulate the GEN 3135 and there they have done there Homework
- GEN Canon Pin Hight
Here we see the GEN CP Hight...
- SA3135/A2836 Rehaut Engrave v6s
The Rehaut of the v6s Models are not Bad but also not Perfect.
The good Part is that the Factory have hear on us now we have these nice Double Engrave Rehaut again...
And this Time they did it much better. The Engrave self isn´t Bad but there are many many Flaws...
Another mistaken by the Factory is that they use only 40 different Serial as they said us, but we see atm Maximal 10 different Serials.
The most of us have the same Serial
The Rehaut is one of the Biggest tell on all Rolex Reps.
For me it´s the Point where i can Identify an GEN from an Rep from an meter distance.
The GEN Rehaut have an ultra nice Shine! It looks like Polished but it´s Brushed. I hope that the Factorys will hear us and work on this big flaw!
So what must be done?
The must First Polish the Rehaut, then they must Brush them but only light! and after that Prozess they must Engrave the Rehaut... But they must change the Typo of the Engrave too.
The Rep Engrave is too Round... Every letter is round... the GEN have an clear and nice Edge...
- Rehaut Engrave v3
Here we see the Older Noob v3 Double Engrave Rehaut. It looks nearly same but it have more dark Points inside the letters... It looks like as it was done by an Laser that have
Heaten up the innder of the Letters... This isn´t Bad! Because the Exactley same Effect have the GEN
- Rehaut Engrave v3 vs v6s (SA3135/A2836)
Here we see it a little better... This is the Comparision btw the v6s and the v3 the v3 have an Darker inner... But looks nearly same...
The Darker inner makes the Rehaut much more visible at the Brushed Rehaut...
The Rehaut Engrave must also much deeper... Because at many Angles the Rehaut isn´t really visible...
- Rehaut Differents
Here we see the v6s vs GEN... I made this Pics under my Watchmaker light that you can see how the Rehaut fade away at different Angles.
The GEN is visible at all Angles and that everytime Clear and nice.
- GEN Rehaut
Here we see for Comparision the GEN Rehaut... This Shines sooo nice... That´s an massiv tell and different...
- Case Angle v3 vs v6 SA3135
So some People say the New v6s Rehaut looks Wookey... It doesn´t !!! Don´t expect things from Pictures
Here you can see that the v6s Rehaut is absolut Identical to the v3 and no one said to the v3 it looks Wookey...
The Angle of the the Rep Rehaut is at all Watches wrong! That´s clear and it would be really cool if get there also an Improvement.
But the Rehaut isn´t different to the older v3
- GEN Hands on SA3135
So does the GEN RLX Hands Fit at the SA3135? Yes they Fit Perfect... I lost the Hour Hand Pic but it Fit no worrie!
- GEN vs Rep Min Hand (SA3135)
So here we have an Comparision btw the GEN RLX Hands and the SA3135 Hands...
The overall Finish isn´t Perfect and not really good... I would say more Poor you can´t Compare it with the GEN on that...
The only good thing at the SA3135 Hands is that they are nearly 1:1 in size...
- GEN vs Rep Hour Hand (SA3135)
At these Pics the Lume seems nearly same but it isn´t
The GEN Lume is really strong and last for long Time... And the Rep Lume is only a Second bright... And Relume would recommended
- GEN vs Rep Second Hand (SA3135)
And the Second Hand
- SA3135 Case with Build in 2836-2
So let´s come to an Question that many People have thinking about... Does these or that Movement Fit into the SA3135
Here is the Answere
So the 2836-2 doesn´t Fit into the Case... We can clearly see the Stem Hight isn´t right.
- SA3135 Case with Build in 2824-2
Let´s check the 2824-2
Yes that´s the Perfect Candidate for your SA3135
But Remember if you put an 2824 into an SA3135 you need an New Dial or you Cut off the Feets of the SA Dial...
You need Defenitley new Hands !!! I Prefer the TC Hands and give them an Relume... The overall Finish of the TC Hands are much much nicer as the rest of the Rep Hands.
But the TC Hands have an little little wrong size... But in my eyes not really Visible...
The overall look with that Hands would be great...
I hope that the Noob Factory could an Improvement on the Hands too... It´s only an Plate Process...
- SA3135 Case with Build in YUKI
Does the YUKI Fit ?!?? Sure it Fit... I don´t have add the GEN Movement because the Yuki have same Specs... So the GEN Movement Fit into the Case also without Probs.
At the Yuki you can stay at your Dial and Hands... But if you wanna go to the Yuki i would prefer GEN Dial and Hands... And you have the Ultimate.
- SA3135/A2836 Bracelet Shape
So let´s check the Bracelet
The Shape of the Bracelet is also as the Lugs of the Case very very nice! The middle Part of the Bracelet is now Sharp cutted as hell... A little sharper as the GEN hehe
But better too sharp as too round... Can be softned or will be Autmaticly happen with an Reshape
- SA3135/A2836 Bracelet Engrave
The Inner Engrave is also better now... Not same as the GEN but ok...
- SA3135/A2836 Clasp things
So the Shape is really good... But the tight Flip Lock isn´t at all the v6s Bracelets... I saw Bracelets where is also an Gap as on the older Bracelets.
But the most of them looks like these
- GEN Clasp things
Here we see that the Flip Lock of the GEN have also a little Play... The Edges of the Complete Clasp have more Roundings...
- SA3135/A2836 Clasp Crown
The Clasp Crown is an real Improvement... One of the best Rep Crowns that i saw at an Rep Bracelet... Not 100% same but really good...
- GEN Clasp Crown
Here are the GEN Clasp for Comparision
- GEN vs Rep Clasp (SA3135/A2836)
Here we can see the Crown again how close they is... But the Complete Clasp got an really nice update too...
So the Shape isn´t 100% same as the GEN but really good... And much much better as the old ones...
Also the Feel is now much much better...
But what would all these Updates if there wouldn´t be an Downgrade?!??
The GENEVA is Printed Wrong... So it Called GENE VA and the Rolex Logo is little to thin.
- GEN vs Rep Bracelet (SA3135/A2836)
Really nice! The Shape is now really good...
- SA3135/A2836 v6s Bracelet on v3 Case
Ok so let us check how the v6s Bracelet Fit at other Cases... As i already said very often... Not the Case was always the prob! It was the Bracelet self.
I had test it awhile ago with my GEN Bracelet... But let´s see...
So as we see the v6s Bracelet Fit absolut Perfect at the v3 Case... There will be a little gap btw the Lugs but this depends on Machining Tollerances.
- SA3135/A2836 v6s Bracelet on GEN Case
Now let´s see how the Bracelet Fit at the GEN Watch...
Absolut Perfect!!! The Rep Bracelet sits tighter as the GEN Bracelet self so the v6s Bracelet is an absolut Perfect alternaitve for the GEN owners to safe there GEN Bracelet
of Scratches... And these little Crown different will no one notice...
- GEN Bracelet on SA3135 v6s Case
And twice
The GEN Bracelet at the v6s Case...
Fit´s also Perfect but there is a little Gap... Because the GEN Bracelet is an little bit smaller
- GEN Bracelet Size
Here we see the Bracelet Size of the GEN we see that the GEN is a tinny bit smaller
- SA3135 Rep Bracelet Size
And the v6s Size... Really close...
- GEN Lug Size
Let´s see what the GEN Lug Size say...
Here we have the GEN... So it was Clear that both sides are absolut identical
- SA3135 v6s Lug Size
And now the v6s...
Ok we have a little little differences... But these wouldn´t be really noticable with the naked eye...
- SA3135/A2836 Spring Bars vs GEN
Not really important but the GEN Bracelet Spring are little different to the Rep one...
- Case v3 vs v6s SA3135
Ok so let us Compare the v6s Case with the v3 Case
Here we can see that the Crown Guards of the v3 are smaller as on the v6s
The Crown Position is clearly different... The SA3135 Case have near same position as the GEN
We can also see the Rehaut again, and see that the Rehaut isn´t Wookey... They are indetical...
But we can see that the old v3 Rehaut is much more visible because the inner Parts are more Dark as showed above.
- Case GEN vs v6s SA3135
So let us Compare the GEN vs v6s
As we can see the CGs are really close to the GEN...
The Crown Position of the SA3135 is a little little bit deeper... But really not noticable...
The Angle from the Lugs to the CGs are also very good...
- Case GEN vs v3
So at the GEN vs v3 we can clearly see that the CG´s are smaller and that the Angle from Lugs to the CG´s is too Flat...
But this Flat Angle you´ll gave at all 2836 Cases with deeper Crown Position.
Ok so let us come to the v6s 2836 Part
The Watches have not much Main different... Only different will be the Crown Position and with this the CG self.
And the Dial is another one...
- A2836 v6s First look at the Movement
So nothing Spectacular... An A2836 same Quality as ever...
The Case Accept only the 2836 Movement!!!
- A2836 v6s Caseback
The Caseback is nearly same as the SA3135 Caseback... The Opener Grabs the teeth same good as on the SA so the Caseback is here also Updated.
- A2836 v6s Check at the Timegraph
The Timegraph say we can let the Movement runs as it is... But i prefer an Service then the Line looks much better
So we see that there are some Parts are not 100% cleaned or Oiled
- A2836 v6s Lug Size
The Lugs Size are also different at the 2836 but also very good for an Rep.
- Case v6s SA3135 vs A2836
Ok so let us see the Main differents btw the both new v6s
As we see the CGs have different sizes... The SA have thicker CGs as the 2836...
But let me say this size variates!!! Not all Cases are same...
I got another 2 Exsample Cases and there was the CGs near same... Also the CGs btw upper and lower variates...
So we see also clearly that the Crown Position is different.
- Case GEN vs v6s A2836
So the first Impression if you look at the GEN vs 2836 is that you think the CGs are exactley same size...
But it depends really at the Pics... In real Life it looks different... So both are not Bad! But in my Eyes the SA Case is the better one.
- Case GEN vs v6s SA3135 and A2836
And Sandwitch! Gang B... LOL
For that People that don´t see which Case is which... Bottom is the SA, Middle is the GEN, Top the 2836
So now we have the over view of all 3 Watches... So it´s really hard to say which one is better... So i have Compare many Pics and had 2 other Exsamples here.
So the CG´s variate on the Watches... It´s really Important to check the QC Pics you get
- Case GEN vs v6s SA3135 and A2836 (Another 2 Watches!)
Here we see different Watches and we can see that the CGs are really nice at both
As i said the SA3135 looks for me in real life better.
- The Weight
So here we see the GEN Weight 519gr very heavy ha ???? LOL
NO I must use some Coffee to get more weight to the Scale... The Coffee is 366gr so we have to decuct of the Sum
So the GEN weight 153gr with 10 Full Links and these half Links in the Glidelock...
The SA weight 151gr so it´s very close to the GEN and
The 2836 weight 147gr so the weight isn´t really different to the Watches...
My Personally Conclusion
We don´t forget that we Compare here an Rep Watch btw an GEN... That means we Comapre 400,-$ vs 8000,-$
That the GEN will ever be an GEN we don´t need to Discuss about!
But both Noob v6s Watches are really great Watches...
The New Finish is absolut AMAZING and gives the Watch an real GEN feeling.
Also the new Bracelet and Clasp is nice.
I Personally prefer more the SA3135 Based Watch.
Why?
Because the SA Case have the right Crown Position and the Angle from the Lugs to the CGs is much better and feels more GEN like...
The Bezel of the SA feels better in my Eyes... It Clicks much nicer as the 2836 and there is no Play Backward.
If you wanna go Franken it is the Perfect Watch! You can Install an GEN Dial and Hands without to Touch them.
You can also Add an GEN DW at the Movement.
The Movement isn´t the Best that´s true! and i heared that the Steam already break very often. If that happen you´ll have an prob!
So the most of you guys can´t fix that self then. And if the Steam break directley at the thread you have no chance to get them to work again.
But you can add an A2824 or SWISS 2824 i prefer with H4 Mod... Also an Alternative will be the TC 2824 Elbadore Movement.
Sure you need new Hands then ok. But you can do much more updates as on the 2836.
If you grab an SA3135 you should be clear that you buy an Watch with an Fantasy Dial! So the most of you guys will chnge the Dial so or so.
That´s why i Prefer the SA3135 Version...
For People that won´t update the Watch!
And wear it so as it is, i prefer the A2836 Version.
This Watch have also an GEN Feeling and the CGs are not really Bad!
But you get an Watch with an much better Movement and with an Dial that would be ok...
The 2836 is more then ok! and it´s an great Watch. You can also do updates on her but at the End you don´t have the GEN Crown Hight Position.
And you can´t add an GEN or Yuki Movement.
Improvement notes to the Factory what we would see at the next upcoming SubC
- Rehaut update to GEN Specs... That means give them an more Polished look and Engrave with the right Font and Deeper plus get them to the right Angle as on the GEN (Deep Hole Effect)
- Movement Update at the 3135... Add an Movement that is much more solid.
- Clasp Blade Fix... Get the GENEVA right on it and the Logo an little thicker.
- Bezel update... Check the Drilled lines and the Angle.
- Dial update... The whole Print must be made new... Switch from Fantasy (3135) to GEN and over work the 2836 Dial
There will be a few little things that could be updated but these Points are the Important Points...
All other Points must be stay as they are !!!
I hope that Agnus can tell the Factory these things and that they maybe hear at him...
Is the Time now over for the old Noob v3 ???
NO !!! Alsolutley not... The Noob v3 Cases had also many differents... There was an Noob v3.0 Case and an Improved Case v3.1
That means there are also Cases out with better CGs etc.
The good thing at the Noob v3 is the Rehaut in my Eyes... The v3 Rehaut is much more Visible...
Plus the Rehaut have all different Serials.
But for those People that can´t grab an v3 anymore the v6s is an very good Alternative!
So i hope you guys had Fun with these little Review
I would say at the End again
THANKS - AGNUS - PURETIME !!!
For the fast Support etc.
And i wanna recommended again if you like the v6s go to PureTime and make your Order!
Thanks for looking!
Today i wanna Present you the Big Noob SubC v6s Thread...
So first of all let me say many many Thanks to Agnus from PureTime Watches...
He Manage all the Stuff with the Factory to get the Noob v6s as this what it is now!!!
So I would welcome it, if you want to order the New Noob SubC v6s... That you do the Order Please by PureTime !!!
I know that there will be some TDs have the Watch maybe for a few Bugs less!
But i would give back Agnus some little appreciation for all his Work!
Remeber that he read all our Talkings that i and smoke did... He followed us on the Forums and write Down what´s needed to change and what not.
This Background Information he gave to the Factory and he try´ed to do the best Possible with the Factory.
Remeber! Agnus don´t Work for or with the Factorys directley! He can only tell them things and he can only hope that they hear them!
So I can only say it again... If you think about an Order of the v6s do the Order by PureTime...
This should be no advertising! I respect all other TDs! They do also good Buisness! But this Baby was born by Agnus
Ok... So let´s come now to the Facts
I Split the Review in Differnt Steps, so that we can handle better the differents.
The Main Comparision is Based on the New Noob SubC v6s SA3135 the A2836 comes more as Addon.
I don´t want to do the conclusion now! I will do that to the End
So you can think of all the Differents self first.
Ok so let´s Start with:
- First Impression
The first Impression was WOW
There are many Updates that Spring directley into your Eye
But many good updates have also some Bad Downgrades :-/
But the most of them Updates in my Eyes.
The first things that i saw will to discuss later
- SA3135 Caseback
So let´s open up the Caseback
The first thing i noticed at opening the Caseback was, that the teeths of the Caseback are now much better and a little wider as the most Rep Casebacks.
The RLX Opener grabs absolut Perfect the teeths of the Caseback. It´s the same feeling as open up the GEN Caseback.
The Engrave inside of the Caseback are now much sharper
Looks really great.
- SA3135 Check at the Timegraph
Short Check at the Timegraph
So as we see the Timing Pics are not the best
An Plus of 34Sec/Day... This doesn´t worrie me too much but the Line are not Nice
That means the Movement isn´t really nice Cleaned.
- SA3135 First look at the Movement
Ok the first look at the Movement is for an Watchsmith that know the GEN Movements an little Joke
I mean it brings you a little smile at your Face everytime. The Movement isn´t Bad at all but it is also not the Best.
But as Far East Imitation it is one of the Best Movements.
The Movement should be an 1:1 Clone of the Rolex 3135 Movement. But for an 1:1 Clone it is really far away, because the SA3135 doesn´t Accept any GEN Rolex 3135 Movement Part.
- SA3135 Near look to the Movement
So as we can see the Movement isn´t in Best Condition when they arrive from the Factory.
Dirt everywhere, no good oiling and Lubicate.
The Autowinding Mechanisem is far far away from the GEN
They don´t Build in an Jewel on the Top Plate for the DateWheel. That´s why the DateWheel have at the Edges no White Paint.
Good Point is you can swap the Rep DateWheel to an GEN RLX DW it Fit Perfect, and so we can Eliminate the Bad Typo.
- GEN vs Rep Movement (SA3135)
So let us make an short Comparison btw the GEN 3135 and the SA3135
You can clearly see the GEN have an much much better Finish and the Parts that you look at, you can see with the Nacked Eye that these are Quality Parts.
Also the Front side looks much better at only an short Comparision
- GEN vs Rep DW (SA3135)
Here we see the different btw the GEN RLX 3135 DW and the SA3135 DW
The GEN is Complete White and the Print is very fine and nice.
- SA3135 Added GEN DW
Here we see the Added GEN 3135 DW at the SA3135 Movement.
It Fit Perfect and Rotate very nice and freely. But you will lost with the Time the White Color at the Edges.
Because you can clearly see there is no Jewel that hold the DW in Position they did an Brass Pinion.
- SA3135 Steam
The Steam is an Big problem if they break to short at the thread
So you can see that the Complete Build is different to the GEN Steam... The Lenght is also wrong!
You can´t add an GEN 3135 Steam into the SA3135!
- SA3135/2836 Tube
The Tube is nothing Spectacular it´s the same as on the last Cases. It have GEN Specs and accept an GEN Crwon without probs.
- SA3135/2836 Crown
The Crown has updated too... In my Eyes it´s one of the best Rep Crowns on the Market in look... But the Crowns have the same prob as the old Crowns!
They Slip after an short Time... I Prefer to Swap it to an GEN
- Noob v3 Crown
Here we see the Noob v3 Crown... In my Eyes the new Crown looks better because the Hole of the v6s is bigger
- GEN Crown
And here we have an Brand new Sealed Crown (Not soooo good Visible) and an GEN used Crown but both are GEN 704
- SA3135/A2836 Lug Engrave
Ok so let us come a little closer to the Case self.
The Lug Engrave seems like as did it your Kid with an Knife
When you look normaly at the Lugs with the Naked Eye you think the Engrave is much better, but at an closer look we´ll see that the Typo isn´t really nice.
- SA3135 Lug Holes
The Lug Holes are nothing Special, they are frayed but ok no one will see this
- SA3135/A2836 Lug Shape
Ok so let us check the Lug shape... This is AMAZING! The first impression comes truth! The Shape is near like the GEN
There did Noob an Absolut AMAZING Job! And i hope they will do that at all the upcoming Models.
Not only the deep Lines are Perfect, also the side cut it really Perfect!
- SA3135 Disassembled Crystal
Ok so let´s Disassemble the Crystal.
We see that the Case have GEN Specs.
Same Construction as the GEN.
- SA3135/A2836 Crystal Hight Standart
The Crystal came off with the Retainer etc.
So we can see the Standart Crystal Hight. The Hight is Incorrect to the GEN but can be Fixed
Not all v6s came with these Crystal Hight! Some are lower some are higher.
The prob Can be solved by the Crystal Gasket
- SA3135/2836 The Bezel Parts
Here we see the Parts, same as the GEN have... But here are also the size of the Retainer isn´t GEN like!
That means if you wanna Install an GEN Bezel you can´t do this without the GEN Retainer Ring.
Otherwise the Bezel will be loosen and Move up and down alot.
- SA3135/A2836 Retainer
Here we see that the GEN Retainer have an much smaller inner Ring and so the GEN Hyrtel Ring is also smaller and Fot Perfect to that Ring
The Rep Retainer use an much thicker Hyrtel Ring, so if you add the GEN Bezel with the small Hyrtel you have much Play as i already said.
- SA3135/A2836 Crystal Cyclope
The AR on the new Crystals is at a few different Angles not Bad... But it´s far away from the GEN
I prefer the Swap to an GEN Crystal.
- SA3135/A2836 Crystal LEC
The Crystal LEC of the Rep Crystal is poor as hell... Thr older Noob Crystals was near Perfect.
- SA3135/A2836 Crystal Size
The Crystal Size is near the GEN with 2,07 the GEN should have 2,0mm but there are also differents.
- SA3135/A2836 Gasket Size
The Gasket Size is the prob why the Crystal sits to High
the GEN have here 2,7mm so we must change the Gasket or shape it down and we´ll have the Perfect Hight
- SA3135/A2836 Click Spring
The Click Springs are same as ever... We have the Springs and Pins Seperated... The GEN Springs have the Pin and Spring Soldered. The Click Spring self is the same.
- SA3135/A2836 Bezel Teeth
The Bezel Teeths are wrong as always! The Angle of the drilled Part is wrong that you can see clearly... And when you take an closer look to the Bezel you´ll see that the
Outer Part of the Rep Bezel is smaller as the GEN. So that´s an Point why the whole Bezel don´t look like the GEN.
The Second Point is the shape of the teeths self. The GEN teeths have horizontal lines! That means the Drill comes to the Bezel from the side and move after the teeth is drilled
side ways away. The Rep Bezel will be drilled from Top to Bottom and this gives the Bezel some vertical lines.
Many People think the GEN Bezel is Polished inside the teeths, they are not Polished! The horizontal lines Break the Light
and that let them looks like it is Polished.Because the rest of the Bezel have also Horizontal Lines (Finsih)
- SA3135 Bezel Backside v6s
The Bezel Backside got an very nice improvement of the SA3135... But this is only at the SA3135 the A2836 have these old poor Bezel teeth from the backside...
Now you think who cares the backside of the Bezel?! it cares in my Eyes much!
Because these little teeths makes these nice CLICK CLICK of the Bezel when you Rotate them.
So the SA3135 have an absolut GEN Feeling on that... The Springs self are not so important on that!
- A2836 Bezel Backside v6s
Here we see the poor Quality of the A2836 Bezel teeths... These not to fine teeths makes also an little Play...
So i hope that Noob add the new Bezel of the SA3135 to all the new Watches.
- Bezel Size
So the size of the Bezels are also different! The SA Bezel came here also much closer to the GEN
GEN - 40,32
SA - 40,33
A2836 - 40,36
- Ceramic Inserts GEN vs Rep (SA3135/A2836)
Ok here we see now the different Bezel Inserts
Left = Older v5/6 with Silver DLC
Middle = GEN
Right = New v6s Silver/Platinum Mix DLC
The Quality of the cutted Numbers are not better as before, but the Size of the Numbers are now Perfect! And the little little Darker Silver/Brownish Mix comes closer to the
GEN look... So at the Pics you can see clearly that nothing Beat the GEN Color
but for the Daily Life the new Insert is absolut Perfect.But the Insert have also big probs with stress cracking
The Ceramic is too Hard... The different btw the GEN and the Rep is that the Ceramic of the GEN will Produced with much better and Complicated Ceramic Ovens.
To tell all the different Prozesses how and what the different makes it would take another few sites
so the Main different to make it short is.The GEN Ceramic will be Burned with much higher Heat, and this makes an Ceracrom of the Insert... The GEN Insert you can almost bent
hehe the Rep will Break into1000 Pieces if you push them a little to Hard.
So the GEN Ceramic is 38,08mm the
Rep is 38,03mm
- SA3135 Dial
Ok so let´s come to the Dial...
About the Dial is not much to say... I didn´t want to show you now all the differents on that Dial. The Dial is an Fantasy Dial and so there is no need to Discuss about a lot.
It is in and you can live with it or not. If you want use the Rep as Standart as it is i would Prefer the A2836
Becaue the 2836 Dial is ok... Also not 100% Perfect but much much better as this one.
- SA3135 Canon Pin Hight
The CP Hight is surley Perfect
same as on the GEN... Ok the SA3135 Emulate the GEN 3135 and there they have done there Homework
- GEN Canon Pin Hight
Here we see the GEN CP Hight...
- SA3135/A2836 Rehaut Engrave v6s
The Rehaut of the v6s Models are not Bad but also not Perfect.
The good Part is that the Factory have hear on us
now we have these nice Double Engrave Rehaut again... And this Time they did it much better. The Engrave self isn´t Bad but there are many many Flaws...
Another mistaken by the Factory is that they use only 40 different Serial as they said us, but we see atm Maximal 10 different Serials.
The most of us have the same Serial
The Rehaut is one of the Biggest tell on all Rolex Reps.
For me it´s the Point where i can Identify an GEN from an Rep from an meter distance.
The GEN Rehaut have an ultra nice Shine! It looks like Polished but it´s Brushed. I hope that the Factorys will hear us and work on this big flaw!
So what must be done?
The must First Polish the Rehaut, then they must Brush them but only light! and after that Prozess they must Engrave the Rehaut... But they must change the Typo of the Engrave too.
The Rep Engrave is too Round... Every letter is round... the GEN have an clear and nice Edge...
- Rehaut Engrave v3
Here we see the Older Noob v3 Double Engrave Rehaut. It looks nearly same but it have more dark Points inside the letters... It looks like as it was done by an Laser that have
Heaten up the innder of the Letters... This isn´t Bad! Because the Exactley same Effect have the GEN
- Rehaut Engrave v3 vs v6s (SA3135/A2836)
Here we see it a little better... This is the Comparision btw the v6s and the v3 the v3 have an Darker inner... But looks nearly same...
The Darker inner makes the Rehaut much more visible at the Brushed Rehaut...
The Rehaut Engrave must also much deeper... Because at many Angles the Rehaut isn´t really visible...
- Rehaut Differents
Here we see the v6s vs GEN... I made this Pics under my Watchmaker light that you can see how the Rehaut fade away at different Angles.
The GEN is visible at all Angles and that everytime Clear and nice.
- GEN Rehaut
Here we see for Comparision the GEN Rehaut... This Shines sooo nice... That´s an massiv tell and different...
- Case Angle v3 vs v6 SA3135
So some People say the New v6s Rehaut looks Wookey... It doesn´t !!! Don´t expect things from Pictures
Here you can see that the v6s Rehaut is absolut Identical to the v3 and no one said to the v3 it looks Wookey...
The Angle of the the Rep Rehaut is at all Watches wrong! That´s clear and it would be really cool if get there also an Improvement.
But the Rehaut isn´t different to the older v3
- GEN Hands on SA3135
So does the GEN RLX Hands Fit at the SA3135? Yes they Fit Perfect... I lost the Hour Hand Pic
but it Fit no worrie!
- GEN vs Rep Min Hand (SA3135)
So here we have an Comparision btw the GEN RLX Hands and the SA3135 Hands...
The overall Finish isn´t Perfect and not really good... I would say more Poor
you can´t Compare it with the GEN on that... The only good thing at the SA3135 Hands is that they are nearly 1:1 in size...
- GEN vs Rep Hour Hand (SA3135)
At these Pics the Lume seems nearly same but it isn´t
The GEN Lume is really strong and last for long Time... And the Rep Lume is only a Second bright... And Relume would recommended
- GEN vs Rep Second Hand (SA3135)
And the Second Hand
- SA3135 Case with Build in 2836-2
So let´s come to an Question that many People have thinking about... Does these or that Movement Fit into the SA3135
Here is the Answere
So the 2836-2 doesn´t Fit into the Case... We can clearly see the Stem Hight isn´t right.
- SA3135 Case with Build in 2824-2
Let´s check the 2824-2
Yes that´s the Perfect Candidate for your SA3135
But Remember if you put an 2824 into an SA3135 you need an New Dial or you Cut off the Feets of the SA Dial...
You need Defenitley new Hands !!! I Prefer the TC Hands and give them an Relume... The overall Finish of the TC Hands are much much nicer as the rest of the Rep Hands.
But the TC Hands have an little little wrong size... But in my eyes not really Visible...
The overall look with that Hands would be great...
I hope that the Noob Factory could an Improvement on the Hands too... It´s only an Plate Process...
- SA3135 Case with Build in YUKI
Does the YUKI Fit ?!?? Sure it Fit... I don´t have add the GEN Movement because the Yuki have same Specs... So the GEN Movement Fit into the Case also without Probs.
At the Yuki you can stay at your Dial and Hands... But if you wanna go to the Yuki i would prefer GEN Dial and Hands... And you have the Ultimate.
- SA3135/A2836 Bracelet Shape
So let´s check the Bracelet
The Shape of the Bracelet is also as the Lugs of the Case very very nice! The middle Part of the Bracelet is now Sharp cutted as hell... A little sharper as the GEN
heheBut better too sharp as too round... Can be softned or will be Autmaticly happen with an Reshape
- SA3135/A2836 Bracelet Engrave
The Inner Engrave is also better now... Not same as the GEN but ok...
- SA3135/A2836 Clasp things
So the Shape is really good... But the tight Flip Lock isn´t at all the v6s Bracelets... I saw Bracelets where is also an Gap as on the older Bracelets.
But the most of them looks like these
- GEN Clasp things
Here we see that the Flip Lock of the GEN have also a little Play... The Edges of the Complete Clasp have more Roundings...
- SA3135/A2836 Clasp Crown
The Clasp Crown is an real Improvement... One of the best Rep Crowns that i saw at an Rep Bracelet... Not 100% same but really good...
- GEN Clasp Crown
Here are the GEN Clasp for Comparision
- GEN vs Rep Clasp (SA3135/A2836)
Here we can see the Crown again how close they is... But the Complete Clasp got an really nice update too...
So the Shape isn´t 100% same as the GEN but really good... And much much better as the old ones...
Also the Feel is now much much better...
But what would all these Updates if there wouldn´t be an Downgrade?!??
The GENEVA is Printed Wrong... So it Called GENE VA and the Rolex Logo is little to thin.
- GEN vs Rep Bracelet (SA3135/A2836)
Really nice! The Shape is now really good...
- SA3135/A2836 v6s Bracelet on v3 Case
Ok so let us check how the v6s Bracelet Fit at other Cases... As i already said very often... Not the Case was always the prob! It was the Bracelet self.
I had test it awhile ago with my GEN Bracelet... But let´s see...
So as we see the v6s Bracelet Fit absolut Perfect at the v3 Case... There will be a little gap btw the Lugs but this depends on Machining Tollerances.
- SA3135/A2836 v6s Bracelet on GEN Case
Now let´s see how the Bracelet Fit at the GEN Watch...
Absolut Perfect!!! The Rep Bracelet sits tighter as the GEN Bracelet self
so the v6s Bracelet is an absolut Perfect alternaitve for the GEN owners to safe there GEN Bracelet of Scratches... And these little Crown different will no one notice...
- GEN Bracelet on SA3135 v6s Case
And twice
The GEN Bracelet at the v6s Case...
Fit´s also Perfect but there is a little Gap... Because the GEN Bracelet is an little bit smaller
- GEN Bracelet Size
Here we see the Bracelet Size of the GEN we see that the GEN is a tinny bit smaller
- SA3135 Rep Bracelet Size
And the v6s Size... Really close...
- GEN Lug Size
Let´s see what the GEN Lug Size say...
Here we have the GEN... So it was Clear that both sides are absolut identical
- SA3135 v6s Lug Size
And now the v6s...
Ok we have a little little differences... But these wouldn´t be really noticable with the naked eye...
- SA3135/A2836 Spring Bars vs GEN
Not really important but the GEN Bracelet Spring are little different to the Rep one...
- Case v3 vs v6s SA3135
Ok so let us Compare the v6s Case with the v3 Case
Here we can see that the Crown Guards of the v3 are smaller as on the v6s
The Crown Position is clearly different... The SA3135 Case have near same position as the GEN
We can also see the Rehaut again, and see that the Rehaut isn´t Wookey... They are indetical...
But we can see that the old v3 Rehaut is much more visible because the inner Parts are more Dark as showed above.
- Case GEN vs v6s SA3135
So let us Compare the GEN vs v6s
As we can see the CGs are really close to the GEN...
The Crown Position of the SA3135 is a little little bit deeper... But really not noticable...
The Angle from the Lugs to the CGs are also very good...
- Case GEN vs v3
So at the GEN vs v3 we can clearly see that the CG´s are smaller and that the Angle from Lugs to the CG´s is too Flat...
But this Flat Angle you´ll gave at all 2836 Cases with deeper Crown Position.
Ok so let us come to the v6s 2836 Part
The Watches have not much Main different... Only different will be the Crown Position and with this the CG self.
And the Dial is another one...
- A2836 v6s First look at the Movement
So nothing Spectacular... An A2836 same Quality as ever...
The Case Accept only the 2836 Movement!!!
- A2836 v6s Caseback
The Caseback is nearly same as the SA3135 Caseback... The Opener Grabs the teeth same good as on the SA so the Caseback is here also Updated.
- A2836 v6s Check at the Timegraph
The Timegraph say we can let the Movement runs as it is... But i prefer an Service then the Line looks much better
So we see that there are some Parts are not 100% cleaned or Oiled
- A2836 v6s Lug Size
The Lugs Size are also different at the 2836 but also very good for an Rep.
- Case v6s SA3135 vs A2836
Ok so let us see the Main differents btw the both new v6s
As we see the CGs have different sizes... The SA have thicker CGs as the 2836...
But let me say this size variates!!! Not all Cases are same...
I got another 2 Exsample Cases and there was the CGs near same... Also the CGs btw upper and lower variates...
So we see also clearly that the Crown Position is different.
- Case GEN vs v6s A2836
So the first Impression if you look at the GEN vs 2836 is that you think the CGs are exactley same size...
But it depends really at the Pics... In real Life it looks different... So both are not Bad! But in my Eyes the SA Case is the better one.
- Case GEN vs v6s SA3135 and A2836
And Sandwitch!
Gang B... LOLFor that People that don´t see which Case is which... Bottom is the SA, Middle is the GEN, Top the 2836
So now we have the over view of all 3 Watches... So it´s really hard to say which one is better... So i have Compare many Pics and had 2 other Exsamples here.
So the CG´s variate on the Watches... It´s really Important to check the QC Pics you get
- Case GEN vs v6s SA3135 and A2836 (Another 2 Watches!)
Here we see different Watches and we can see that the CGs are really nice at both
As i said the SA3135 looks for me in real life better.
- The Weight
So here we see the GEN Weight 519gr very heavy ha ????
LOLNO I must use some Coffee to get more weight to the Scale... The Coffee is 366gr so we have to decuct of the Sum
So the GEN weight 153gr with 10 Full Links and these half Links in the Glidelock...
The SA weight 151gr so it´s very close to the GEN and
The 2836 weight 147gr so the weight isn´t really different to the Watches...
My Personally Conclusion
We don´t forget that we Compare here an Rep Watch btw an GEN... That means we Comapre 400,-$ vs 8000,-$
That the GEN will ever be an GEN we don´t need to Discuss about!
But both Noob v6s Watches are really great Watches...
The New Finish is absolut AMAZING and gives the Watch an real GEN feeling.
Also the new Bracelet and Clasp is nice.
I Personally prefer more the SA3135 Based Watch.
Why?
Because the SA Case have the right Crown Position and the Angle from the Lugs to the CGs is much better and feels more GEN like...
The Bezel of the SA feels better in my Eyes... It Clicks much nicer as the 2836 and there is no Play Backward.
If you wanna go Franken it is the Perfect Watch! You can Install an GEN Dial and Hands without to Touch them.
You can also Add an GEN DW at the Movement.
The Movement isn´t the Best that´s true! and i heared that the Steam already break very often. If that happen you´ll have an prob!
So the most of you guys can´t fix that self then. And if the Steam break directley at the thread you have no chance to get them to work again.
But you can add an A2824 or SWISS 2824 i prefer with H4 Mod... Also an Alternative will be the TC 2824 Elbadore Movement.
Sure you need new Hands then ok. But you can do much more updates as on the 2836.
If you grab an SA3135 you should be clear that you buy an Watch with an Fantasy Dial! So the most of you guys will chnge the Dial so or so.
That´s why i Prefer the SA3135 Version...
For People that won´t update the Watch!
And wear it so as it is, i prefer the A2836 Version.
This Watch have also an GEN Feeling and the CGs are not really Bad!
But you get an Watch with an much better Movement and with an Dial that would be ok...
The 2836 is more then ok! and it´s an great Watch. You can also do updates on her but at the End you don´t have the GEN Crown Hight Position.
And you can´t add an GEN or Yuki Movement.
Improvement notes to the Factory what we would see at the next upcoming SubC
- Rehaut update to GEN Specs... That means give them an more Polished look and Engrave with the right Font and Deeper plus get them to the right Angle as on the GEN (Deep Hole Effect)
- Movement Update at the 3135... Add an Movement that is much more solid.
- Clasp Blade Fix... Get the GENEVA right on it and the Logo an little thicker.
- Bezel update... Check the Drilled lines and the Angle.
- Dial update... The whole Print must be made new... Switch from Fantasy (3135) to GEN and over work the 2836 Dial
There will be a few little things that could be updated but these Points are the Important Points...
All other Points must be stay as they are !!!
I hope that Agnus can tell the Factory these things and that they maybe hear at him...
Is the Time now over for the old Noob v3 ???
NO !!! Alsolutley not... The Noob v3 Cases had also many differents... There was an Noob v3.0 Case and an Improved Case v3.1
That means there are also Cases out with better CGs etc.
The good thing at the Noob v3 is the Rehaut in my Eyes... The v3 Rehaut is much more Visible...
Plus the Rehaut have all different Serials.
But for those People that can´t grab an v3 anymore the v6s is an very good Alternative!
So i hope you guys had Fun with these little Review
I would say at the End again
THANKS - AGNUS - PURETIME !!!
For the fast Support etc.
And i wanna recommended again if you like the v6s go to PureTime and make your Order!
Thanks for looking!
