Clean 4130 Daytonas.

[Bobi01]

Oh I forgot post this.
SEL gap become tighter, SEL recession is well aligned and step slightly bigger than with AF bracelet.
It became very similar looking to Noob condition.
I feel it is not bad.

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Oujeah noob bracelet is way to go,cant wait to recieve mine… what about the bracelet quality? Are the ARF-Clean more solid and better than noob bracelet overall when you have it both in hands?

 

[Tobel]

Some time in prison can really clear up mind. Everybody should try it.

Then do us all a favour and go spend some time yourself, this will at least save us all from your "contributions" to this forum

 

[2841]

The SEL’s are not correct on the slope or the length, but it’s not a lot.

The case of the 116500 and 116520 is not the same, so no point in using the 116520 as a comparison

The only bracelet to ever get the correct height on the middle part of the SEL was the old ARF 7CD bracelet. Every Noob and the new bracelet on this release is wrong (Pic with red circle)

overall, based on pics here, this is a great release (white dial) and they got a lot of things right. If you really wanna get close to gen, I would recommend a set of gen hands and a case reshape, and of course a service

 

[Tobel]

The case of the 116500 and 116520 is not the same

Can you please illustrate? To me they were the same, except that 116520 being older tend to be more rounded due to the fact that they are more polished, but I'm curious

 

[mnkoshka]

Yeah unfortunately this little area here is where all the reps have failed including the CF,
As you can see the gen has a nice SEL angle tapering off towards the lug tip.
CF’s lugs are either too short or the ARF bracelet SEL is too large.

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[japer]

The SEL’s are not correct on the slope or the length, but it’s not a lot.

The case of the 116500 and 116520 is not the same, so no point in using the 116520 as a comparison

The only bracelet to ever get the correct height on the middle part of the SEL was the old ARF 7CD bracelet. Every Noob and the new bracelet on this release is wrong (Pic with red circle)

overall, based on pics here, this is a great release (white dial) and they got a lot of things right. If you really wanna get close to gen, I would recommend a set of gen hands and a case reshape, and of course a service

This looks like a great effort! The thing that really bothered me on the noob was the red (way too light) lettering, clean seems to have done this so much better. I prefer this over Noob, esthetically, however curious to the performance of the movement..

 

[Nikz19]

The case of the 116500 and 116520 is not the same, so no point in using the 116520 as a comparison

116500 and 116520 are literally the same watch besides dial and bezel. Like, literally. Same case, same bracelet, same movement, same hands, same crystal, same pushers and same crown. Oh well yeah there is a difference in the case: the model reference engraved..

 

[Mark1937]

116500 and 116520 are literally the same watch besides dial and bezel. Like, literally. Same case, same bracelet, same movement, same hands, same crystal, same pushers and same crown. Oh well yeah there is a difference in the case: the model reference engraved..

+1

 

[Cadows]

Then do us all a favour and go spend some time yourself, this will at least save us all from your "contributions" to this forum

I already did. We cant all contribute so good like you, if all people would contribute equally to the world, it would be much better place. Now stfu.

 

[takks]

I’m seeing all of my 4130.
“DAYTONA” on rotor of CF is too thick but other part looks not bad.
Movement seems same as Noob except for engraving.
Upper bridge(part engraved ROLEX) surface was well finished than Noob.
I will do initial servicing on CF Daytona soon.

 

[YellowFin]

Yeah unfortunately this little area here is where all the reps have failed including the CF,
As you can see the gen has a nice SEL angle tapering off towards the lug tip.
CF’s lugs are either too short or the ARF bracelet SEL is too large.

It's not that pronounced on all gens.

And as usual, what you see in real life is never an SEL in fullscreen magnification. More like this:

Bottom line: the worst thing that could happen is that someone recognizes it's a Daytona and wonders how you managed to get one in the first place.

 

[mrsullivan]

^^^ this.

Looking for macro details and flaws is a part of the fun in the rep game, but it's not fully relevant in real life. Those CF look like a great 1rst try at Dayto to me (at least the white face), tempted to get one to taste the feeling and look once on the wrist.

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[mnkoshka]

YellowFin Bottom line: the worst thing that could happen is that someone recognizes it's a Daytona and wonders how you managed to get one in the first place. [/QUOTE]

Hahah definitely, and pretty much why I don’t wear one as it’s popularity leads to conversations with bystanders that surprisingly know the watch in just as much detail as us forum members do.

it’s only my personal view about the lugs / SELS… just something I notice on the wrist and across the table but that’s me and something that can’t be fixed haha. Even so this is a very good first Daytona release from clean.


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[drferrari1]

I’m seeing all of my 4130.
“DAYTONA” on rotor of CF is too thick but other part looks not bad.
Movement seems same as Noob except for engraving.
Upper bridge(part engraved ROLEX) surface was well finished than Noob.
I will do initial servicing on CF Daytona soon.

Engraving does look better in CF. Here gen engraving from the web for comparison

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[drferrari1]

Agree the Daytona engraving looks better in noob. Font ain’t correct in CF. Maybe 2021 release font is different?


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[Tobel]

I already did. We cant all contribute so good like you, if all people would contribute equally to the world, it would be much better place. Now stfu.

No one is asking you to contribute as well as others who have more knowledge, and you know very well that this is not the point. The point is if you have nothing to say or if youre saying useless stuff then just don't post. And even more important, don't post if it's just to say something mean about other people.

And when you're being caught doing these nasty things - which has happened so many times since you joined - don't show the extend of your arrogance and tell others to shut up. Seriously, the size of your ego is unbelievable.

 

[gekkehenkie]

Yeah unfortunately this little area here is where all the reps have failed including the CF,
As you can see the gen has a nice SEL angle tapering off towards the lug tip.
CF’s lugs are either too short or the ARF bracelet SEL is too large.

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Noob did this right.
Look noob v2 case with a gen bracelet.

 

[ettorefranco]

I didn't read the whole thread but if you're referring to the 1st post in that thread it's relevant for 116610 but not for daytonas. Different Rolex models have different SEL recessions. Just look at the latest 126610 they are basically flush so let's compare what's comparable.

I agree with you that a comparison cannot be made between different models, but regardless of the watch model, the post explains how Rolex conceives the sels in its watches. From what we understand, conceptually sels must be recessed and must have a certain type of curvature compared to lugs, they must be shorter than lugs and last, but perhaps most importantly, there must be no gap between sel and lugs. Given that I have never been a great observer of sels in the reps (I own some vintage rolexes that have horrible end links if we compare them to today's rolexes), I was intrigued by several comments where very clear judgments were expressed regarding the manufacture of the sels. In a nutshell, I wanted to deepen the question, even if I continue to be little interested in something that is noticeable only in macro pics.

 

[Tobel]

conceptually sels must be recessed and must have a certain type of curvature compared to lugs, they must be shorter than lugs and last, but perhaps most importantly, there must be no gap between sel and lugs.

It actually very much depends on which reference. 126610 models have flushed sels, not recessed, white gold Daytonas have sels that are by design longer than their lugs.

You're correct however that there is not supposed to be gaps between SELs and lugs but as you rightly pointed out, this evolves with time, and even some brand new gens have some gaps like they sometimes have a misaligned rehaut but in this case it's bad luck, not design

 

[BlueLineFarmer]

The new 4130 Bristol Movement in the latest Daytona's