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  • capice
    started a topic So I got scammed….twice here.....

    So I got scammed….twice here.....

    Being in the rep scene for more then 10 years I thought I had my fair share of dealing with scammers....I normally don’t post about scams which hit me unless as a warning for fellow members as I feel it is all part of the game but last year I got scammed by two members here in a very wrong way.

    The first was M42M42 who sold a SD in March this year, never delivered and went silent until 21-06 when he logged in again which surprised me as I thought he was kicked off the forum. Raddave told me that he is blocked from buying or selling so at least members are protected against this %^&hole.

    The second scam was by a newbie called kkk12345m. I bought a FF for repair “in good cosmetic condition with 2 straps”. As the communication was far from smooth and the seller was a newbie with no feedback I requested normal paypal which the seller agreed.

    Got a wrong tracking after 3 days at first but that can happen….When I received the watch there was only 1 strap and the watch had a dent on one of the lugs and scratches.

    I informed the seller and send photos of the dent within a minute or 2 after unpacking…. I won't get into all the nasty details in pm's as you can imagine I wasn't calling him mate...

    His answer was I was a pain in the ass, he would not contact me again….

    I pointed out he sold a watch with 2 straps, not 1 and the watch was described as in “good cosmetic condition”, the dent and scratches were not mentioned in the salesthread so I said I wanted to return the watch and asked for a full refund.

    The seller replied that “good by no means mean perfect. I took a gamble and I wanted to return the watch because it couldn’t be repaired” and more crap…he suggested I made the scratches and dent myself...lol.

    Called in the help of the mods which was highly appreciated, after that an amount for partial refund was agreed. What struck me and I really couldn’t understand was that after some more whining of the seller the mod suggested to both take 50% of the damage and non delivered strap…... then the seller got second thoughts because he thought I was being rude(lol) and wanted to refund less then what was agreed on.
    I feel that misdescribing and not delivering what was paid for (maybe he wanted to sell the 2nd strap to make an extra buck elsewhere?, who knows) and me providing evidence of the damaged lug from this scamming newbie is not good enough.….I don’t care about the money, I lost way more than that over the years but for me it is a matter of principle... The watch was not as described correctly, maybe not deliberately I thought at first but after knowing the seller now I think it was deliberately misdescribed and the 2nd strap was not delivered…. this is a bad signal to all members and a reward to all scammers to just try and get away with a very small amount for refund....Unacceptable for me so I am forced to go the other way.

  • legend
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    Thank you QueTip and @c_master

    Capice simply has no respect for the crew at RWG.cc and has no qualms about instructing us about what we have to do so that he can prove his point lol.
    No idea why he feels so entitled but I pity the sellers who sold to him, and the buyers who buy from him.

    Guys please be careful. Trade with him at your own risk. Until he apologizes for his misrepresentations and lies I have no qualms about posting warnings about this guy. Anyone who opens a paypal dispute over a few measly bucks is already a cheapskate with no morals. Deal at your own risk. The only thing poorer than his attitude is his integrity.




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  • QueTip
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    Originally posted by C Master View Post

    No issue posting that here A.

    It has already come up for discussion among the staff here.
    What he said legend

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  • Champsy
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    Originally posted by legend View Post
    Capice is not only problematic as a buyer, but as a seller too.
    https://rwg.cc/topic/194752-fs-rolex...dial/#comments

    It is best to consider carefully when trading with him if you don't want to be shortchanged, scammed or hit with a frivolous paypal dispute.
    QueTip I hope its ok to post this here, if not please delete it.
    Champsy you can recognize your watch I'm sure.
    He isn’t even a good story teller the guys a joke.

    Hopefully it’s only recently and he hasn’t been at it during his 10+ years around the forums but I doubt it.

    If he is even allowed to trade going forward you would have to be a fool to deal with him in future.




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  • legend
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    Originally posted by C Master View Post

    No issue posting that here A.

    It has already come up for discussion among the staff here.
    Thank you Mr K.


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  • C Master
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    Originally posted by legend View Post
    Capice is not only problematic as a buyer, but as a seller too.
    https://rwg.cc/topic/194752-fs-rolex...dial/#comments

    It is best to consider carefully when trading with him if you don't want to be shortchanged, scammed or hit with a frivolous paypal dispute.
    QueTip I hope its ok to post this here, if not please delete it.
    Champsy you can recognize your watch I'm sure.
    No issue posting that here A.

    It has already come up for discussion among the staff here.
    Last edited by C Master; 04-10-19, 10:31.

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  • legend
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    Originally posted by obrienk View Post
    Sorry I did not realize you posted the same link, but yes, same guy.
    Blatant profiteering. Despite many opportunities given for him to admit it and move on, he refuses and continues to cook up wonderful myths.

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  • legend
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    Capice is not only problematic as a buyer, but as a seller too.
    https://rwg.cc/topic/194752-fs-rolex...dial/#comments

    It is best to consider carefully when trading with him if you don't want to be shortchanged, scammed or hit with a frivolous paypal dispute.
    QueTip I hope its ok to post this here, if not please delete it.
    Champsy you can recognize your watch I'm sure.
    Last edited by legend; 04-10-19, 09:46.

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  • obrienk
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    Originally posted by capice View Post

    sure bro....it seems you have not read the whole story...the scammer made a sale and did not deliver what was sold....and you expect that this would be accepted?
    a bit like this guy...?

    https://rwg.cc/topic/194752-fs-rolex...-iceblue-dial/

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  • Xabo
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    Holy moly, this thread is gold, so many plottwists. But honestly sometimes I got the feeling this forum is full of stubborn teenagers. Instead of finding a satisfying solution the callout and insulting game starts real quick. As somebody of you said: Being rude brings you nowhere. So please start to be more constructive, even if you feel treated wrongly.

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  • mech500
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    I’m guessing the “missing” strap was one of those shitty straps worth $2, that sellers effectively include for free in their sales listing?

    Not sure i would call the seller a scammer, especially if I was the one who started an unauthorised paypay dispute over a mere $50. Lol.

    Ps. It’s a used watch you purchased for “repair”. Sold in “good” condition...not mint. You haven’t been scammed mate.




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  • capice
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    Originally posted by Revolper View Post

    What I perceive is a member of 12 years that didn’t receive the expected killer deal miserably failing to follow the agenda.

    And I see a newbie who (in my perception, at least) tried to stay reasonable to a point where he got cornered so much he wasn’t able to keep his cool any more.

    If you’d complain about a not so smooth sale, I’d be with you. A scam? Not so much.
    No problem, I understand where you are coming from....so then we have a different opinion on the matter...Killer deal and seller being reasonable? The thing is the watch was misdescribed, the 2nd strap was not delivered...when is something a scam? Imo this clearly is...I will not post the pm's but far from reasonable...

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  • Revolper
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    Originally posted by capice View Post

    sure bro....it seems you have not read the whole story...the scammer made a sale and did not deliver what was sold....and you expect that this would be accepted?
    What I perceive is a member of 12 years that didn’t receive the expected killer deal miserably failing to follow the agenda.

    And I see a newbie who (in my perception, at least) tried to stay reasonable to a point where he got cornered so much he wasn’t able to keep his cool any more.

    If you’d complain about a not so smooth sale, I’d be with you. A scam? Not so much.

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  • capice
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    Originally posted by Revolper View Post
    I don’t know what everybody’s up to but I’m clearly siding with the new guy here. He has been forced into this shitfight by a member of 12 years (lol) that def should know better.
    sure bro....it seems you have not read the whole story...the scammer made a sale and did not deliver what was sold....and you expect that this would be accepted?

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  • Revolper
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    I don’t know what everybody’s up to but I’m clearly siding with the new guy here. He has been forced into this shitfight by a member of 12 years (lol) that def should know better.

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