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So I got scammed….twice here.....

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    #76
    Originally posted by Rx4Time View Post
    kkk12345m sounds like the ball is in your court. Can we please get this partial refund done so the whole thing is put to rest for good?
    Can you please remember whose house this is and leave it up to the staff here to decide what is being done?


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      #77
      Originally posted by kilowattore View Post
      Whatever, come on capice dont throw 12 years on the forum away for 35 euro. I understand it's a matter of principle but the amount is ridiculous.
      Karma is a bitch and if you've got taken advantage of it will come back. Lift the dispute and take the matter back to the mods.
      This is what’s blowing my mind! On a used, non-working, self described/purchased “cheap”, non-working watch. I’m new here so I’ve just been watching, but let me ask this. With everything we now know, given the watch and it’s condition and just the final product/sale (one dinged watch and 1 strap) what is a fair price for the watch? Is it still within range of fair price? New, it’s at least a 400 watch. Correct?

      Anyway... it looks like things are close to a resolution. I hope things get resolved in an amicable manner and everyone continues on. This has been a very interesting experience to read about and watch unfold.

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        #78
        dispute was cancelled 6 days ago on request...and again, no refund received.......?

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          #79
          Originally posted by capice View Post
          dispute was cancelled 6 days ago on request...and again, no refund received.......?
          He hasn't logged on since the 8th, he may be away as it's August. I suggest that instead of endlessly posting the same thing you send him an email and remind him of what he promised - to refund you.
          https://picr.me/tripdog/albums

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            #80
            pm'd and emailed him but no reply as the scammer's usual way, Raddave then told me heard from bkg the seller 's pp could me messed up ...I called pp, nothing wrong with it they say.

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              #81
              He still hasn't logged on since the 8th, I imagine he's away. I would expect him to log on again towards the end of the month, and hopefully he'll keep up his end of the deal.
              https://picr.me/tripdog/albums

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                #82
                Hi I’ve come online. I didn’t think he took me up on the offer because he said nothing through pms for a couple of days after i offered it on my comment thread and I really needed to take some time off the forum to cool off so I can avoid arguing any further. I also had no idea the dispute was cancelled until today, as it pissed me off so much I didn’t even want to look at my account. Refund will be sent in a minute.

                i don’t know how a long time member can get away with a cheap trick like this. First he shit on me for his own mistake with the tracking and calls me a scammer, then he bullshits some missing strap, plus exaggerates a scuff on the watch in a attempt to squeeze some money off me. Then he straight up filed a PayPal dispute despite it being expressly discouraged by the mods. To make matters worse he called me out in contrary to what he agreed to. I hope you’d understand why I have been so reluctant to deal with this issue at all.

                This guy is a fucking asshole. After he made the dispute I really had no choice but to refund or risk a total loss, and right before the deadline he cancels it, so he would appear to have done what the mods requested. Which in the end would still leave me with no other choice but to refund him if I wanted to stay on the forum.

                please, please penalise this guy. Don’t let him get away with this crap.

                ill pay him 40€ if that’s ok. He asked for 50 but I think if I give him that I’d lose all my dignity lol, to bow to this cheapskate.

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                  #83
                  Actually whatever the f*uck I will give this guy 50 since he said it’ll be donated. But hey no way of finding out is there, and I doubt a guy who grills me for months over a 15 euro difference has the heart for this kind of stuff. But who knows, once he confirms his PayPal email he’ll get his grail—a refund of 50€.

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by kkk12345m View Post
                    Hi I’ve come online. I didn’t think he took me up on the offer because he said nothing through pms for a couple of days after i offered it on my comment thread and I really needed to take some time off the forum to cool off so I can avoid arguing any further. I also had no idea the dispute was cancelled until today, as it pissed me off so much I didn’t even want to look at my account. Refund will be sent in a minute.

                    i don’t know how a long time member can get away with a cheap trick like this. First he shit on me for his own mistake with the tracking and calls me a scammer, then he bullshits some missing strap, plus exaggerates a scuff on the watch in a attempt to squeeze some money off me. Then he straight up filed a PayPal dispute despite it being expressly discouraged by the mods. To make matters worse he called me out in contrary to what he agreed to. I hope you’d understand why I have been so reluctant to deal with this issue at all.

                    This guy is a fucking asshole. After he made the dispute I really had no choice but to refund or risk a total loss, and right before the deadline he cancels it, so he would appear to have done what the mods requested. Which in the end would still leave me with no other choice but to refund him if I wanted to stay on the forum.

                    please, please penalise this guy. Don’t let him get away with this crap.

                    ill pay him 40€ if that’s ok. He asked for 50 but I think if I give him that I’d lose all my dignity lol, to bow to this cheapskate.


                    I'll draw your attention to what you wrote on the 5th August:

                    Originally posted by kkk12345m View Post
                    Firstly I would like to reiterate that even if i did forget to send a strap, and the watch had a scuff that I didnt mention, It doesnt immediately make me a scammer.

                    I took the photos right before posting the sales thread. I genuinely do not think that I couldve damaged the watch during the few day time window in bwtween creating the sales thread and actually posting the watch. Even if there was a tiny ding on the watch how on earth is that misdescription? It isnt like I said the watch was 'brand new' or 'used but in excellent condition'. It is as much my responsibility as a seller to mention the damage as it is yours, as the buyer, to check the images carefully and if in doubt you couldve asked me for a better closeup or something. I really did not see the 'ding' and hence I didnt mention it. Maybe I just assumed it looked quite good without serious damage to the casing because I didnt wear i, not once.

                    I did agree to a 50 euro refund and I apologize for taking the offer back. But I think my change of mind is justified becuase he kept on insulting me even after I agreed to refund. It isnt even a day after I raised the initial offer, and he already lost it. And since a 50:50 split is suggested, I thought a long time member would be more gracious and would accept that. But no he just went ahead and opened a dispute.

                    As for the strap, it is either I straight up lied, or that the buyer lied about not receiving it to get out of the sale/ to recoup some losses. In both cases, it is impossible to prove that either of us is at fault. The buyer can say I lied about the straps to increase the chance of a sale, I could also say that the buyer lied becuase the watch takes more money to fix than he had expected and hence he wanted a quick buck from a newb whom he thought would pay up when he threatened the dispute. I really do think that he just experienced buyer's remorse and wanted some money back to pay for the repair.

                    I think what I would do at this point is to just refund him 50 euro tomorrow and resolve the dispute. There isnt really anything I can do about it since the dispute was raised without approval and paypal never sides with the seller. Plus, there is no point letting this escalate and promote even more negativity in the forum. Theres a lesson in this for everyone, as someone suggested maybe do take pictures of the contents in the box before closing the box up. Hell, even take a video of youslef boxing it up to be safe. Or maybe just dont accept goods and service payments.

                    Considering the amount of insults he threw at me, and the repeated name-calling, I dont even know why I am still attempting to reason with the buyer lol. Seriously I dont know what he expects from me. That I take the loss when he still refers to me as mr. scumbag in public?

                    Thanks sales mods for all the attempts at resolving the issue. I really appreciate the effort you put in to make it a safe place for us to trade.
                    You haven't stopped criticising his behaviour in this children's farce, but you are now apparently going back on your word - and it doesn't bother you.

                    TBO, I don't give 2 shiny fucking shits what you do - but don't complain endlessly about somebody else's behaviour when yours is no better.
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                      #85
                      Do you know what, the thread speaks for itself. I'm just glad it's over personally (pending payment).

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by kkk12345m View Post
                        Actually whatever the f*uck I will give this guy 50 since he said it’ll be donated. But hey no way of finding out is there, and I doubt a guy who grills me for months over a 15 euro difference has the heart for this kind of stuff. But who knows, once he confirms his PayPal email he’ll get his grail—a refund of 50€.
                        Mate you are making yourself sound pathetic, as he paid you with PayPal you should already have his email address, or is this another delaying tactic

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                          #87
                          This asshole orchestrated the entire fuckfest to scam me, and I’m not ok with it. He then continues to play the victim/ good guy, and what pisses me off the most is for some inexplicable reason everyone is on his side.

                          Ill also draw your attention to the fact that I literally did not have a choice. He made a dispute, so I HAD to pay him 50. But on second thought I would rather lose out in full so he gets punished for an unapproved dispute than to give him what he wants and pay 50. So there’s that.

                          I never thought he cancelled the dispute because that fucker never told me in the few days following the cancellation. He also cancelled it last minute. So I went on vacation thanking that I refunded him in full and tossed this shitshow to the back of my head.

                          the sole reason I even decided to to respond to this obvious attempt to bully a new member was that I enjoyed my time here and thought rather highly of the members. But well, lol.

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                            #88
                            man this is a fucking joke. He made a dispute even though it was not approved by the mods and cancelled it last minute. He obviously just wanted the money but not the consequences. He also claimed that he would be done with the forum and would leave and make a dispute but guess what the fucker is back with his shit.

                            Do you know what a dispute does to a PayPal account? Even if it’s cancelled I’ll face consequences.

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                              #89
                              Wow! I just read 9 pages of this...
                              No one comes out ahead in this type of dispute. Personally, I'd pay the man, move on and keep my reputation. There are bigger fish to fry and other reps to buy.
                              Like many others, I am seeking a decent TC16610

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by kkk12345m View Post
                                This asshole orchestrated the entire fuckfest to scam me, and I’m not ok with it. He then continues to play the victim/ good guy, and what pisses me off the most is for some inexplicable reason everyone is on his side.
                                Ill also draw your attention to the fact that I literally did not have a choice. He made a dispute, so I HAD to pay him 50. But on second thought I would rather lose out in full so he gets punished for an unapproved dispute than to give him what he wants and pay 50. So there’s that.
                                I never thought he cancelled the dispute because that fucker never told me in the few days following the cancellation. He also cancelled it last minute. So I went on vacation thanking that I refunded him in full and tossed this shitshow to the back of my head.
                                the sole reason I even decided to to respond to this obvious attempt to bully a new member was that I enjoyed my time here and thought rather highly of the members. But well, lol.
                                Seriously do you expect anyone to honestly believe that a member of 12 years bought a watch from you with the sole purpose of scamming you, why would he do that, surely someone who's been around so long and knows how things work would orchestrate a more elaborate scam with higher monetary gain, but according to you this evil mastermind set out to scam a broken watch from someone.

                                its not about taking sides caprice hasn't exactly covered himself in glory with his handling of this either, but your post repeating the same thing over and over again are making you look like an hysterical drama queen, pay the agreed refund, draw a line under it and move on, there are much more important thing in life to worry about, one last thing having a dispute against you on PayPal especially a cancelled one has absolutely no consequences against you or your account in future.

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