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    #31
    In my opinion as a gen and rep collector, the latest reps are simply too good to be true.

    The factories have really stepped up their game (unless you want to inspect your reps under a loupe).

    Take Zf calatrava or ultra thin moon. Amazing reps. I have/had more gen omegas than my local jewellery shop has seen in a decade and in my opinion the new vsf omegas are more than good enough. Hands are clean, dials are stunning, very well finished.

    Then look at the Daytona reps...sorry I don’t buy the whole “gens are in a different league”. That simply isn’t the case unless we’re inspecting the movements under a loupe. Most used second hand gens for sale look like shit. The SELs are all over the place with even a few months wear and tear. Want me to prove it with videos?!

    New ARF 904L bracelets look and feel completely gen to me...and I am an engineer by trade...so not a random bloke off the street who knows nothing about machining steel. Ok a brand new new bracelet feels a bit nicer than gen but you pick up a used hen bracelet that’s been polished once and it’ll feel same as rep for all intents and purposes.

    Yes, gens are nice and I have a lot but it’s hard to appreciate the finishing on a gen Patek or AP unless you remove the caseback and inspect the polished screws with a loupe. Like anyone’s got time for that! Haha.

    I like gens but my passion is with reps and with a lot of brands, it’s simply not worth buying gen IMO


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    Last edited by mech500; 15-06-19, 21:34.

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      #32
      Originally posted by xartan View Post

      I understood you the first time. Repeat it enough and you might convince yourself. I’m not buying any of it. Of course any gen of the brands you’re mentioning are not comparable to any rep. The level of detail and QC put into a gen Rolex is completely umatched by any rep produced in a dirty chinese mobile facility.

      People like you have no compassion for watches and just want a status symbol to flash off for a fraction of what a gen costs.
      Yeez man why the hostility?
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        #33
        Originally posted by mech500 View Post
        In my opinion as a gen and rep collector, the latest reps are simply too good to be true.

        The factories have really stepped up their game (unless you want to inspect your reps under a loupe).

        Take Zf calatrava or ultra thin moon. Amazing reps. I have/had more gen omegas than my local jewellery shop has seen in a decade and in my opinion the new vsf omegas are more than good enough. Hands are clean, dials are stunning, very well finished.

        Then look at the Daytona reps...sorry I don’t buy the whole “gens are in a different league”. That simply isn’t the case unless we’re inspecting the movements under a loupe. Most used second hand gens for sale look like shit. The SELs are all over the place with even a few months wear and tear. Want me to prove it with videos?!

        New ARF 904L bracelets look and feel completely gen to me...and I am an engineer by trade...so not a random bloke off the street who knows nothing about machining steel. Ok a brand new new bracelet feels a bit nicer than gen but you pick up a used hen bracelet that’s been polished once and it’ll feel same as rep for all intents and purposes.

        Yes, gens are nice and I have a lot but it’s hard to appreciate the finishing on a gen Patek or AP unless you remove the caseback and inspect the polished screws with a loupe. Like anyone’s got time for that! Haha.

        I like gens but my passion is with reps and with a lot of brands, it’s simply not worth buying gen IMO


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        You're right, certain watches no point in buying gen. Some gens have crappy movements that cost thousands to get serviced, some gens have insane price tags and wait lists. But in some instances gens are better, if you could have purchased a gen 5711 before they became popular you could have tripled your money in only a few years.

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          #34
          Whatever. Keep living in your dream world. There is no point arguing. You will just keep insisting that the fakes are just as good as the gens. As for second hand gens I don’t wtf you going on about. But of course price and quality of second hand watches will vary.

          I love this hobby and my reps. They look great and it gives me a chance to try out and wear a bunch of nice watches. But I’m not dumb enough to claim the the quality and finish is no where near a gen. They are great toys.

          Take Rolex.

          On ARF the paint will fade or flake off the bezel. On the gen it’s platinum plated. The hands are steel and look NOTHING like the Rolex white gold ones. The dial looks all wrong. The date is bold and look like crap. The midcase is fat and chunky. The bracelet is good but of course not identical to a gen lol. The cyclops look like crap. The general finish is nothing like a gen. I certainly don’t need a loupe to tell a gen is completely different level of quality. And of course the cal 3135 movement is unmatched. Have you ever taken off the back of a rep Rolex and looked inside? You will be shocked about the sheer amount of dirt in there. It somtimes looks like it was taken out of the engine of an old car.

          I’ll stop wasting my time and let you continue to live in denial.

          I hope we at least share a gen passion for great watches. I love reps and gens alike for what they are.

          Last edited by xartan; 16-06-19, 12:22.

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            #35
            xartan well it's great for you to be a mind reader knowing what other people think and what their motivations are. I wouldn't dare to guess your noble motives for buying rep watches.
            I could only wonder what anyone with such noble motives is doing in a rep forum as certainly your motivation isn't to flash a rep watch. You must be really good at hiding your reps produced in a 'dirty Chinese factory'. I hope they are not too dirty.

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              #36
              I totally agree with the above comments by sn95 Natas78 and mech500. it's not all black and white. There are many gens not at all worth their price.

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                #37
                Of course gen is gen. that goes without saying but it’s Usually the owner of a single gen Rolex sub and a bmw 318 driver, that constantly insists on how good gens are.
                Last edited by mech500; 16-06-19, 13:58.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by jm_brc_7057 View Post
                  xartan well it's great for you to be a mind reader knowing what other people think and what their motivations are. I wouldn't dare to guess your noble motives for buying rep watches.
                  I could only wonder what anyone with such noble motives is doing in a rep forum as certainly your motivation isn't to flash a rep watch. You must be really good at hiding your reps produced in a 'dirty Chinese factory'. I hope they are not too dirty.
                  Get out of my hair now dude. If you bothered actually reading what I wrote you would know that I’m not against reps. That’s why I own several and enjoy wearing them. For my own sake. Not to flash them off as gens. I’m not pretending they are the real thing. Neither to myself or anyone else.

                  It’s probably very hard for you to understand but not everyone has the same superficisl motives for buying reps as you do and have other reasons than pretending to own a gen you can’t afford or are not willing to pay for.

                  It’s probably also hard for you to imagine but some of us actually have a genuine passion for watches and enjoy reps and gens alike for what they are and see this as a great hobby and are here to learn and talk about technical aspects and different models with people that share the same passion. We are also well aware that reps are simply nowhere near a gen with respects to quality and finish though some of them are pretty good and would fool most people if that’s your goal. This hobby is an opportunity to own several reps of expensive watches and get the feel for each one. That simply wouldn’t be possible for most of us otherwise.

                  Now stop fooling around. You obviously don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. People like you give me a head ache.


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                    #39
                    Originally posted by xartan View Post
                    Whatever. Keep living in your dream world. There is no point arguing. You will just keep insisting that the fakes are just as good as the gens. As for second hand gens I don’t wtf you going on about. But of course price and quality of second hand watches will vary.

                    I love this hobby and my reps. They look great and it gives me a chance to try out and wear a bunch of nice watches. But I’m not dumb enough to claim the the quality and finish is no where near a gen. They are great toys.

                    Take Rolex.

                    On ARF the paint will fade or flake off the bezel. On the gen it’s platinum plated. The hands are steel and look NOTHING like the Rolex white gold ones. The dial looks all wrong. The date is bold and look like crap. The midcase is fat and chunky. The bracelet is good but of course not identical to a gen lol. The cyclops look like crap. The general finish is nothing like a gen. I certainly don’t need a loupe to tell a gen is completely different level of quality. And of course the cal 3135 movement is unmatched. Have you ever taken off the back of a rep Rolex and looked inside? You will be shocked about the sheer amount of dirt in there. It somtimes looks like it was taken out of the engine of an old car.

                    I’ll stop wasting my time and let you continue to live in denial.

                    I hope we at least share a gen passion for great watches. I love reps and gens alike for what they are.
                    Wasn’t going to wade in, but I thought you said we don’t all have to agree. It seems though, when people don’t you’re telling them they are living in a dream or in denial?


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                    Last edited by KSwatches; 16-06-19, 14:19.

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                      #40
                      It's interesting to hear people's points of view and how wildly different they can be, but the main thing I take from this thread is that Xartan is awful. Have a lovely Sunday everyone

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by KSwatches View Post
                        Wasn’t going to wade in, but I thought you said we don’t all have to agree. It seems though, when people don’t you’re telling them they are living in a dream or in denial?
                        I just think it’s delussional to think a rep matches a gen. That’s just my opinion. And not everyone buy reps to flash them off as gens. I’m sorry if I came across too harsh. Of course we don’t all have to agree.

                        I’m here to learn and share passion for watches and I have learned a lot from people like you.
                        Last edited by xartan; 16-06-19, 14:49.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by GingerBubba View Post
                          It's interesting to hear people's points of view and how wildly different they can be, but the main thing I take from this thread is that Xartan is awful. Have a lovely Sunday everyone
                          I apologize for getting carried away. I’m not that awful actually . Well maybe sometimes. Now lets all have a lovely Sunday.

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                            #43
                            Everyone:

                            Xartan: "We don't have to agree"

                            Everyone: "Oh ok, we disagree"

                            Xartan: "You are delusional and you live in a dream world"

                            Everyone:

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by xartan View Post

                              I apologize for getting carried away. I’m not that awful actually . Well maybe sometimes. Now lets all have a lovely Sunday.
                              You were a bit much. I'm all for giving you another chance though. Happy Sunday.

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                                #45
                                The level of detail is just not the same on a rep, but is the difference worth all that money is the question ...

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