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  • Omagad
    started a topic [CONSENSUAL LIST] Super Reps NWBIGs


    I decided to create a list with two categories. NWBIGs and Super Rep NWBIGs.

    Many people talk about AAA+ or 1:1 out there.

    I, and maybe a lot of people here, believed, long time ago, that this actually meant something. I was a newbie in this exciting world of Replicas.

    I also noticed that, like me, a lot of newbies took a lot of time to understand how it works and kept asking on chat and everywhere : "Hey guys, what's the best watch for this particular model please ?!"

    A few days ago, someone told me about the NWBIG list.
    I found it very exciting to have a list of Reps you can buy with no second thought.

    Of course, I'm not speaking about the Super Reps that people got after going Franken !
    I'm only speaking about out of the box Super Reps that you can buy directly from TDs,
    without needing to spend hours or days to fix or mod it.

    Also, I tried to be as accurate as I could, feel free to add anything you feel important and I will edit.

    So I've taken the list and did read the whole NWBIG thread started by @timnic54 !
    First of all : You shouldn't renounce to buy a watch just because it's not listed here.
    Remember that 95% of people don't look at your watch and only 1% of the 5% can tell a rep from a gen. Don't be worried !

    Please understand that NWBIG doesn't necessarily mean "Super Rep".

    This thread is not only about NWBIG watches, but also Super Rep NWBIGs !

    Any NWBIG is not worth buying in gen. A watch can be NWBIG without being a Super Rep because the tell is acceptable.

    But a Super Rep is necessarily be NWBIG. That's what this thread is about : Watches that are not worth buying gen AND are very hardly distinguishable from the gen.

    I double checked all the watches in every page. I've gone in all the reviews thread I could find for every single of these watches to make sure they actually were considered as Super Reps. I noticed a few of these had issues or were "under debate". Some of them actually were not even Super Reps although they were often considered like they were (with obvious tells (so not NWBIG)).

    Once I finished doing the whole thing and after reading around 200 threads, I decided to create this list.

    Please, you have to understand that I've been very demanding.
    If there is any obvious tell you can spot quickly, it's NO SUPER REP, it can still be NWBIG tho if you need to be an expert in the particular model to spot it.

    This list is, what I consider, THE Super Reps list.

    In other words, I need your help for that, I would like to create a list that anyone could participate to build, discuss, debate, update; that anyone can USE and that is CONSENSUAL.

    If you see any mistake in the list, feel free to tell me.
    If you see any watch in the list that has an obvious tell, let's discuss it.

    What I want is something clear, easy to read and accepted by everyone (or almost).

    Most importantly, remember that even a Super Rep IS a Replica. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PERFECTION !
    There will ALWAYS BE a difference. This is about going AS CLOSE AS WE CAN to GEN.

    This thread is about watches that you should not buy gen because the Replicas listed in here are so good that the price difference between the GEN and the REP would NOT be justified !

    Of course GEN will ALWAYS be superior even in the smallest way.

    PLEASE, if you disagree with something TELL US WHY.
    Should it go in or out of the list, LET US KNOW.

    And if you see someone that disagrees with you, TALK ABOUT THAT, give us your input.
    I will update this list as soon as THERE IS A CONSENSUS.

    While it's UNDER DEBATE, I won't.

    So, here we go, enjoy. :-)

    Updated NWBIG / Super Replicas consensual list

    21st of July, 2019 - Changing leather strap is advised
    Click here to see history list of the updates
    Some watches are discontinued (can only be found in m2m)

    If you decide to buy one of these watches because
    it is in this list, please always take the time to
    understand WHY it's in the list, check reviews,
    make sure you understand what you're buying.

    Note that if there are several super reps of the
    same model and unless both are awesome
    quality, only the best one will be listed here.

    - [Exhaustive Consensual List] Commonly accepted as Super Reps NWBIGs -

    Audemars Piguet ROO Diver JF V9.5

    Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (black) Best = Noob V1 (not sold by TD anymore) #2 = ZF

    Breitling Avenger II GMT GF (first batch with correct DW, includes the polished SS and the blacksteel / DLC) infos here
    Breitling SuperOcean Abyss
    Breitling SuperOcean Abyss Chrono Noob
    Breitling SuperOcean Heritage Black Noob V2
    (not available on TD anymore)
    Breitling SuperOcean Steelfish H-factory v2 (arrow second hand version)
    Breitling SuperOcean II 44mm (Noob) (black only)

    Bvlgari Diagono Magnesium GF, last version

    Cartier Santos XL V6
    Cartier, Ballon Bleu 42mm, V6F V4
    Cartier, Ballon Bleu Pink Dial 33m, AF (CAL.076)

    Franck Muller Casablanca Automatique 8880 - GF

    Hublot Big Bang V6(F) "V6.5" SS (not the carbon fiber ones, confused with the name ? Click here)

    IWC 3777-01 ZF
    IWC 3878 Spitfire V6F
    IWC Big Pilot 5009-01 ZF
    IWC Laureus Sport Ingenieur 2824 Noob
    IWC Da Vinci by TW
    IWC Portofino AF

    Jaeger-LeCoultre Diver Master Compressor Noob

    Montblanc Timewalker Chrono - Noob A7753

    (list of PAMs below only shows the bests Super Reps for that particular model)
    PAM 000 - Luminor Base Logo (44mm) N-series Noob V2.5
    PAM 005 - Luminar Marina Logo (44mm) N-series Noob V2 / N-series H maker V2
    PAM 026 - Luminor Marina Destro PVD (44mm) K-series Noob V3
    PAM 029 - Luminor GMT (44mm) M-series Noob V2-improved
    PAM 057 - Luminor Power Reserve Titanium (44mm) DSN
    PAM 087 - H maker F-series w/ A-7750
    PAM 088 - Luminor GMT (44mm) O-series Noob
    PAM 104 - Luminor Marina Automatic (44mm) O-series Noob
    PAM 111 - Luminor Marina (44mm) N-series Noob V3 (and later)
    PAM 112 - Luminor Base (44mm) M-N series Noob
    PAM 127 - Luminor 1950 "Fiddy" (47mm) Latest Noob

    PAM 164 - Luminor Marina Automatic (44mm) O-series Noob
    PAM 176 - Luminor Base Titanium (44mm) M-N series Noob V3
    PAM 177 - Luminor Marina Titanium (44mm) N-P series Noob
    PAM 187 - Luminor Submersible Chorno 1000m (47mm) Noob 7753
    PAM 217 - Luminor Marina Militare 1950 Destro "Fiddy" (47mm) 2012 Noob
    PAM 243 - Luminor 1950 Submersible (44mm) M-series Noob V2
    PAM 285 - K-series KW/V6Fac with A7750 decorated like OPIII)
    PAM 288 - Radiomir Chronograph (45mm) K-series H maker
    PAM 292 - Radiomir Black Seal (45mm) J-series Noob
    PAM 297 - Luminor GMT (44mm) O-series Noob
    PAM 299 - Luminor Marina Automatic (K-series) (44mm) O- series Noob
    PAM 318 - Luminor Marina Logo (44mm) L-series Noob
    PAM 346 - Radiomir Titanio (45mm) KW/V6F
    PAM 356 - Luminor Chrono Daylight (44mm) O-series Noob 7753
    PAM 364 - Luminor Submersible 1950 Titanium (47mm) P-series Noob
    PAM 390 - Luminor Boutique Edition (44mm) N-series Noob
    PAM 411 to 420 - Luminor Marina Boutiques Special Edition (44mm) KW/V6F
    PAM 432 to 434 - Luminor Marina Boutiques Special Edition (44mm) H Maker
    PAM 441 - Luminor GMT VSF V2
    PAM 508 - Luminor 1950 Submerislbe Ceramica (47mm) KW-V6Fac Ceramic decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000 // P-KW-V6Fac Ceramic decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
    PAM 569 - Luminor 1950 Submersible Dextro Titanium (47mm) KW-V6F Q-series Seagull Non-Inverted KWP9000-Seagull V2
    PAM 571 - ZFac P-series P.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5 // KW-V6Fac P-series P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000-V2. KW-V6Fac P-series P.9000 decorated Seagull NON-inverted K9000-SeagullV2.
    PAM 607 - KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2) The most interesting version for A7750 lovers. // KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted The most interesting version for Seagull lovers

    Rolex 114300, 39mm, Grape and Grey dial JF (now ARF) (shitty movement, get it serviced)
    Rolex Sub 16610 TC
    Rolex TW Best/WM9 (Sub/Bluesy/DD)

    Seven Friday (V6F) P series (P1-1, P3-1), V series (V2-1) and M series (not the M2-2 one)

    Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300 (White Dial on Ronda with SS bracelet)
    Tag Heuer Aquaracer Calibre 5 SS on Rubber - SW200

    Tudor Black Bay Red 2016 ZF
    (last shield version)
    Tudor Heritage Ranger SS S Factory
    Tudor Black Pelagos V6F/XF V2/3/4

    Tudor Blue Pelagos V6F/XF V2/3/4

    PLEASE : If you have feedback about any of those, let us know !

    - Under debate / No Consensus yet -

    - Likely Super Reps but needs more feedback, definitely FIRST CLASS :
    Breitling Transocean Day Date blue - V7F
    Cartier, Ballon Bleu 28 and 33mm, V6F
    Cartier Santos 100 V6F (Black Dial, Titanium Ultimate Swiss SW)
    Cartier Ronde Croisiere WSRN0002 GP
    Chanel J12 38 mm - FR Factory
    IWC 501902 Top Gun Miramar ZF
    IWC IW388002 V6F
    IWC IW327010 MARK XVIII by V7 Factory
    IWC Big Pilot IW502001 Real Ceramic ZF V2
    (waiting for new batch, short minute hand issue)
    Longines, La Grande Classique SS 37mm JF
    Longines, Master Collection LGF Top Edition (need more feedback on open caseback)
    Omega Aqua Terra 8500 Clone - VSF
    Omega De Ville SS RXW A2892
    Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m LMPO Noob V5
    (waiting for the caseback typo to be fixed)
    Tudor Heritage Ranger V6F
    TAG Heuer Aquaracer Special Edition Premier League GS
    Zenith Pilot Extra Special 20 - Black dial (V6F > ZF)

    - [Non-exhaustive Consensual List] FIRST CLASS NWBIGs
    Bell & Ross 03-92 ZF (not the Golden Heritage one that has a very bad Dial)
    Bell & Ross 03-92 Horolum Watch Achive Custom
    Bell & Ross 03-93 GMT Watch Archive Custom
    Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (Noob V2)
    Breitling Navitimer World 46mm GMT (black only) BP
    Breitling Avenger Blackbird (GF/ GF V2)
    Cartier W6701011 ZF
    (really subtle difference on DW and window)
    Franck Muller Master Square GF
    Hublot Classic Fusion 42mm JJF black dial (V2) - Back is wrong and screws are randomly falling
    IWC Portofino White Dial V5 MKF
    IWC Portofino "150 years anniversary" white dial MKF

    IWC Mark XVII Le Petit Prince MKF

    IWC Portuguese 7 days ZF (last version)
    IWC Black 3714 - ZF V3 (slim movement)
    Jaeger-LeCoultre Master-Ultrathin Moonphase ZF
    (black dial, possibly the others too, moon & back / clasp are little off)
    Montblanc Heritage Spirit M Factory
    Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre KW/V6F V2
    Omega Seamaster Diver 300m 2018 VSF V2

    Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m 42 and 45mm (CrPO) Noob
    Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean (45.5 / 42mm) CrPO (8500 Super Clone) VSF

    PAM 687 - Acciaio Brevettato SF (only tell is open caseback)
    Rolex DateJust 41 - 126334 by ARF
    Rolex Explorer (214270) SH3135 V2 (JF)
    Rolex Day Date 18239 TW Best/WM9

    Rolex Daytona 116500 (Asia 4130 Mod) White/Stk - Noob
    Rolex Daytona 116520 (Asia 4130 Mod) - Noob

    Rolex Submariner Ceramic (116610) Noob V9 & ARF
    Rolex Submariner (114060) No Date B-C Noob V7
    Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 (116660) ARF 904L Steel SH3135
    Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 (116600) Noob V2
    Rolex Yachtmaster Rhodium/Blue Noob SA3135

    Tag Heuer Carrera calibre 1887 V6F - Ceramic Bezel Black Dial on SS
    Tudor LHD Pelagos - XF
    Tudor Black Pelagos - ZF V2/V3

    - Under review (likely to be FIRST CLASS, some could be Super Reps but need more feedback) :
    Audemars Piguet - XF V2 FC Diver 15706
    Breitling SuperOcean SeaWolf H-factory v2
    Breitling Superocean Heritage II 42mm - GF Factory (wrong pearl, font too bold, date font)
    Concord C1 - H Factory
    Cartier Panthère Secrete DJ
    Glashutte Senator Sixties - GF
    IWC Big Pilot 5009-12 ZF
    IWC Big Pilot 5009-16 ZF
    IWC 5009-08 LPP ZF V2
    Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT 600m
    Omega De Ville SS MKS
    PAM 616 - CarboTech Submersible VSF A7750
    PAM 424 V2 California Dial Super Clone P.3000 ZF
    Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 PPF White
    Rolex Sea Dweller Deepsea (DBlue) Noob V7
    Rolex Date-Just 116234 ARF
    Rolex Celini MKF

    Rolex Explorer II 42mm 216570 Noob (Correct Hand Stack)
    SevenFriday P2B/03-W ‘Woody’ NFC V6F
    Tudor Heritage Black Bay Bronze Blue XF
    Tudor Black Bay GMT Baselworld 2018 ZF
    Tudor Blue Heritage Black Bay (Bucherer) XF
    Vacheron Constantin Overseas White JJF MY9015 Mod
    (need feedback on movement noise and cross engraving thickness on the back)
    Zenith Extra Special Bronze Edition V6F/KW

    - NOT ACCEPTED as NWBIGs/Super Reps (naked eye instant tell(s)/waiting for update)
    Tudor BB Red Rose Edition ZF - V4/V5
    Rolex Sea Dweller 2017 Baselworld 126600 904L ARF (excellent build quality but magnification is wrong and DW font is terrible)
    Blancpain Villeret 6654 SS (with complication) OMF : moon phase goes the wrong way + adjustment wrong side of the case

    FIRST CLASS category are very good reps, very close to gen, but with one obvious tell for anyone knowing what to look for or with side by side comparison.

    Please note that there are many watches out there that could fit into the FIRST CLASS category.
    This one is only about watches that have been discussed HERE as potential Super Reps and didn't get the status.

    I hope you enjoy my dedication and I hope to be part of this incredible RWI forum for long time.
    Thanks for reading, please join us ! Any suggestion is welcome.

    Credits to those who participated to the original list (@timnic54 and @simonjay, and @ALE7575 for PAMs) and all the participants of the previous thread (too many of you to name), all the guides makers and all of those who will participate here. Special thanks also to Repworld for his continuous will and dedication to enhance this list.
    Last edited by Omagad; 21-07-19, 17:23.

  • Benjijohnson
    Wow, such a great thread! For a complete novice like me this is such a good starting point for me to refer to. Huge thanks

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  • VMSG
    Originally posted by Omagad View Post

    How is the open caseback?
    Very good, some flaws, but minor

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  • kennygconspiracy
    Originally posted by Omagad View Post

    How is the open caseback?
    Looks brilliant to me! Can't tell a single thing apart from the lack of a cloned coaxial element!

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk

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  • Omagad
    Originally posted by kennygconspiracy View Post

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
    How is the open caseback?

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  • hung123
    Does the Noob 116600 sd4k A2824 belong on this list? The V2 is on the list but this is V8 and the only one available from TD's

    My most immediate concern is the endlinks. V2 endlinks protrude from the case like gen, Noob screwed up on V7 and the endlinks are recessed or flush. It looks like from the pics on the websites that V8 endlinks are not recessed like V2. Can anybody confirm?

    Also, not sure if the V8 dial is glossy or matte. The gen 116600 is matte.

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  • kennygconspiracy
    Originally posted by Omagad View Post

    Please send a link from a TD so I can check

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk

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  • Omagad
    Originally posted by VMSG View Post
    Omagad I think that the 2019 Seamaster 300 ceramic and titanium should be in this list as first-class nwbig. I've never seen such a consensus here
    Please send a link from a TD so I can check

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  • Omagad
    Originally posted by Thatwatchguy View Post

    I believe it was noob, but not made for some time.

    The ones currently made by other factories are not that great.

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  • Omagad
    Originally posted by fireice2 View Post
    Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT 600m VSF

    Does this not qualify as 1st class nwbig?
    When you ask these things, you should let us know why you think it would and then we can discuss.

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  • Omagad
    Originally posted by haggle_ View Post

    yes, but my question does not refer to the names at the dealers, but to the fact that the RWI super rep list does not discriminate between different colors.
    It does only when only one color is a Super Rep. If it doesn't, then consider all are great.

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  • Omagad
    Originally posted by Sonofalich View Post

    Yeah good job for editing it out. Just cite the bits you need and trim / delete the bits you dont need.

    As for the watch, its unlikely to be the same as this list is quite old and doesn't get updated.
    This list isn't old, and is updated weekly at least.

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  • Daher
    Originally posted by PlastikMan View Post

    If you can’t spot the flaws it’s a super rep for you
    Lmao guess all watches are super reps then

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  • BEAniev1!
    Originally posted by PlastikMan View Post

    If you can’t spot the flaws it’s a super rep for you
    Actually in the wrist you can never see anything. But that's just me heheh

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  • PlastikMan
    Originally posted by Daher View Post

    But its a super rep on wrist right?
    If you can’t spot the flaws it’s a super rep for you

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