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  • Omagad
    started a topic [CONSENSUAL LIST] Super Reps NWBIGs

    [CONSENSUAL LIST] Super Reps NWBIGs

    I decided to create a list with two categories. NWBIGs and Super Rep NWBIGs.

    Many people talk about AAA+ or 1:1 out there.

    I, and maybe a lot of people here, believed, long time ago, that this actually meant something. I was a newbie in this exciting world of Replicas.

    I also noticed that, like me, a lot of newbies took a lot of time to understand how it works and kept asking on chat and everywhere : "Hey guys, what's the best watch for this particular model please ?!"

    A few days ago, someone told me about the NWBIG list.
    I found it very exciting to have a list of Reps you can buy with no second thought.

    Of course, I'm not speaking about the Super Reps that people got after going Franken !
    I'm only speaking about out of the box Super Reps that you can buy directly from TDs,
    without needing to spend hours or days to fix or mod it.

    Also, I tried to be as accurate as I could, feel free to add anything you feel important and I will edit.

    So I've taken the list and did read the whole NWBIG thread started by @timnic54 !
    First of all : You shouldn't renounce to buy a watch just because it's not listed here.
    Remember that 95% of people don't look at your watch and only 1% of the 5% can tell a rep from a gen. Don't be worried !


    Please understand that NWBIG doesn't necessarily mean "Super Rep".

    This thread is not only about NWBIG watches, but also Super Rep NWBIGs !

    Any NWBIG is not worth buying in gen. A watch can be NWBIG without being a Super Rep because the tell is acceptable.


    But a Super Rep is necessarily be NWBIG. That's what this thread is about : Watches that are not worth buying gen AND are very hardly distinguishable from the gen.

    I double checked all the watches in every page. I've gone in all the reviews thread I could find for every single of these watches to make sure they actually were considered as Super Reps. I noticed a few of these had issues or were "under debate". Some of them actually were not even Super Reps although they were often considered like they were (with obvious tells (so not NWBIG)).


    Once I finished doing the whole thing and after reading around 200 threads, I decided to create this list.

    Please, you have to understand that I've been very demanding.
    If there is any obvious tell you can spot quickly, it's NO SUPER REP, it can still be NWBIG tho if you need to be an expert in the particular model to spot it.

    This list is, what I consider, THE Super Reps list.

    In other words, I need your help for that, I would like to create a list that anyone could participate to build, discuss, debate, update; that anyone can USE and that is CONSENSUAL.


    If you see any mistake in the list, feel free to tell me.
    If you see any watch in the list that has an obvious tell, let's discuss it.

    What I want is something clear, easy to read and accepted by everyone (or almost).

    Most importantly, remember that even a Super Rep IS a Replica. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PERFECTION !
    There will ALWAYS BE a difference. This is about going AS CLOSE AS WE CAN to GEN.

    This thread is about watches that you should not buy gen because the Replicas listed in here are so good that the price difference between the GEN and the REP would NOT be justified !


    Of course GEN will ALWAYS be superior even in the smallest way.

    PLEASE, if you disagree with something TELL US WHY.
    Should it go in or out of the list, LET US KNOW.

    And if you see someone that disagrees with you, TALK ABOUT THAT, give us your input.
    I will update this list as soon as THERE IS A CONSENSUS.


    While it's UNDER DEBATE, I won't.


    So, here we go, enjoy. :-)

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Updated NWBIG / Super Replicas consensual list

    11th of July, 2019 - Changing leather strap is advised
    Click here to see history list of the updates
    Some watches are discontinued (can only be found in m2m)
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    If you decide to buy one of these watches because
    it is in this list, please always take the time to
    understand WHY it's in the list, check reviews,
    make sure you understand what you're buying.


    Note that if there are several super reps of the
    same model and unless both are awesome
    quality, only the best one will be listed here.


    - [Exhaustive Consensual List] Commonly accepted as Super Reps NWBIGs -

    Audemars Piguet ROO Diver JF V9.5

    Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (black) Best = Noob V1 (not sold by TD anymore) #2 = ZF

    Breitling Avenger II GMT GF (first batch with correct DW, includes the polished SS and the blacksteel / DLC) infos here
    Breitling SuperOcean Abyss
    Breitling SuperOcean Abyss Chrono Noob
    Breitling SuperOcean Heritage Black Noob V2
    (not available on TD anymore)
    Breitling SuperOcean Steelfish H-factory v2 (arrow second hand version)
    Breitling SuperOcean II 44mm (Noob) (black only)

    Bvlgari Diagono Magnesium GF, last version

    Cartier Santos XL V6
    Cartier, Ballon Bleu 42mm, V6F V4
    Cartier, Ballon Bleu Pink Dial 33m, AF (CAL.076)

    Franck Muller Casablanca Automatique 8880 - GF


    Hublot Big Bang V6(F) "V6.5" SS (not the carbon fiber ones, confused with the name ? Click here)

    IWC 3777-01 ZF
    IWC 3878 Spitfire V6F
    IWC Big Pilot 5009-01 ZF
    IWC Laureus Sport Ingenieur 2824 Noob
    IWC Da Vinci by TW
    IWC Portofino AF


    Jaeger-LeCoultre Diver Master Compressor Noob

    Montblanc Timewalker Chrono - Noob A7753

    (list of PAMs below only shows the bests Super Reps for that particular model)
    PAM 000 - Luminor Base Logo (44mm) N-series Noob V2.5
    PAM 005 - Luminar Marina Logo (44mm) N-series Noob V2 / N-series H maker V2
    PAM 026 - Luminor Marina Destro PVD (44mm) K-series Noob V3
    PAM 029 - Luminor GMT (44mm) M-series Noob V2-improved
    PAM 057 - Luminor Power Reserve Titanium (44mm) DSN
    PAM 087 - H maker F-series w/ A-7750
    PAM 088 - Luminor GMT (44mm) O-series Noob
    PAM 104 - Luminor Marina Automatic (44mm) O-series Noob
    PAM 111 - Luminor Marina (44mm) N-series Noob V3 (and later)
    PAM 112 - Luminor Base (44mm) M-N series Noob
    PAM 127 - Luminor 1950 "Fiddy" (47mm) Latest Noob

    PAM 164 - Luminor Marina Automatic (44mm) O-series Noob
    PAM 176 - Luminor Base Titanium (44mm) M-N series Noob V3
    PAM 177 - Luminor Marina Titanium (44mm) N-P series Noob
    PAM 187 - Luminor Submersible Chorno 1000m (47mm) Noob 7753
    PAM 217 - Luminor Marina Militare 1950 Destro "Fiddy" (47mm) 2012 Noob
    PAM 243 - Luminor 1950 Submersible (44mm) M-series Noob V2
    PAM 285 - K-series KW/V6Fac with A7750 decorated like OPIII)
    PAM 288 - Radiomir Chronograph (45mm) K-series H maker
    PAM 292 - Radiomir Black Seal (45mm) J-series Noob
    PAM 297 - Luminor GMT (44mm) O-series Noob
    PAM 299 - Luminor Marina Automatic (K-series) (44mm) O- series Noob
    PAM 318 - Luminor Marina Logo (44mm) L-series Noob
    PAM 346 - Radiomir Titanio (45mm) KW/V6F
    PAM 356 - Luminor Chrono Daylight (44mm) O-series Noob 7753
    PAM 364 - Luminor Submersible 1950 Titanium (47mm) P-series Noob
    PAM 390 - Luminor Boutique Edition (44mm) N-series Noob
    PAM 411 to 420 - Luminor Marina Boutiques Special Edition (44mm) KW/V6F
    PAM 432 to 434 - Luminor Marina Boutiques Special Edition (44mm) H Maker
    PAM 441 - Luminor GMT VSF V2
    PAM 508 - Luminor 1950 Submerislbe Ceramica (47mm) KW-V6Fac Ceramic decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000 // P-KW-V6Fac Ceramic decorated Seagull NON-inverted KP9000-Seagull V2
    PAM 569 - Luminor 1950 Submersible Dextro Titanium (47mm) KW-V6F Q-series Seagull Non-Inverted KWP9000-Seagull V2
    PAM 571 - ZFac P-series P.9000 decorated A7750 NON-inverted Improved ZP9000-V2.5 // KW-V6Fac P-series P.9000 decorated A7750 Inverted KP9000-V2. KW-V6Fac P-series P.9000 decorated Seagull NON-inverted K9000-SeagullV2.
    PAM 607 - KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic decorated A7750 NON-inverted KP9000-V2) The most interesting version for A7750 lovers. // KW-V6Fac P-series Ceramic decorated KP9000-Seagull V2 NON-inverted The most interesting version for Seagull lovers


    Rolex 114300, 39mm, Grape and Grey dial JF (now ARF) (shitty movement, get it serviced)
    Rolex Sub 16610 TC
    Rolex TW Best/WM9 (Sub/Bluesy/DD)


    Seven Friday (V6F) P series (P1-1, P3-1), V series (V2-1) and M series (not the M2-2 one)

    Tag Heuer Aquaracer 300 (White Dial on Ronda with SS bracelet)
    Tag Heuer Aquaracer Calibre 5 SS on Rubber - SW200

    Tudor Black Bay Red 2016 ZF
    (last shield version)
    Tudor Heritage Ranger SS S Factory
    Tudor Black Pelagos V6F/XF V2/3/4

    Tudor Blue Pelagos V6F/XF V2/3/4





    PLEASE : If you have feedback about any of those, let us know !

    - Under debate / No Consensus yet -


    - Likely Super Reps but needs more feedback, definitely FIRST CLASS :
    Breitling Transocean Day Date blue - V7F
    Cartier, Ballon Bleu 28 and 33mm, V6F
    Cartier Santos 100 V6F (Black Dial, Titanium Ultimate Swiss SW)
    Cartier Ronde Croisiere WSRN0002 GP
    Chanel J12 38 mm - FR Factory
    IWC 501902 Top Gun Miramar ZF
    IWC IW388002 V6F
    IWC Big Pilot IW502001 Real Ceramic ZF V2
    (waiting for new batch, short minute hand issue)
    Longines, La Grande Classique SS 37mm JF
    Longines, Master Collection LGF Top Edition (need more feedback on open caseback)
    Omega Aqua Terra 8500 Clone - VSF
    Omega De Ville SS RXW A2892
    Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m LMPO Noob V5
    (waiting for the caseback typo to be fixed)
    Tudor Heritage Ranger V6F
    TAG Heuer Aquaracer Special Edition Premier League GS
    Zenith Pilot Extra Special 20 - Black dial (V6F > ZF)


    - [Non-exhaustive Consensual List] FIRST CLASS NWBIGs
    Bell & Ross 03-92 ZF (not the Golden Heritage one that has a very bad Dial)
    Bell & Ross 03-92 Horolum Watch Achive Custom
    Bell & Ross 03-93 GMT Watch Archive Custom
    Blancpain Fifty Fathoms (Noob V2)
    Breitling Navitimer World 46mm GMT (black only) BP
    Breitling Avenger Blackbird (GF/ GF V2)
    Cartier W6701011 ZF
    (really subtle difference on DW and window)
    Franck Muller Master Square GF
    Hublot Classic Fusion 42mm JJF black dial (V2) - Back is wrong and screws are randomly falling
    IWC Portofino White Dial V5 MKF
    IWC Portofino "150 years anniversary" white dial MKF

    IWC Mark XVII Le Petit Prince MKF
    IWC Mark XVII MKF

    IWC Portuguese 7 days ZF (last version)
    IWC Black 3714 - ZF V3 (slim movement)
    Jaeger-LeCoultre Master-Ultrathin Moonphase ZF
    (black dial, possibly the others too, moon & back / clasp are little off)
    Montblanc Heritage Spirit M Factory
    Omega Seamaster 300 Spectre KW/V6F V2
    Omega Seamaster Diver 300m 2018 VSF V2

    Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean 600m 42 and 45mm (CrPO) Noob
    Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean (45.5 / 42mm) CrPO (8500 Super Clone) VSF

    PAM 687 - Acciaio Brevettato SF (only tell is open caseback)
    Rolex DateJust 41 - 126334 by ARF
    Rolex Explorer (214270) SH3135 V2 (JF)
    Rolex Day Date 18239 TW Best/WM9

    Rolex Daytona 116500 (Asia 4130 Mod) White/Stk - Noob
    Rolex Daytona 116520 (Asia 4130 Mod) - Noob

    Rolex Submariner Ceramic (116610) Noob V9 & ARF
    Rolex Submariner (114060) No Date B-C Noob V7
    Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 (116660) ARF 904L Steel SH3135
    Rolex Sea Dweller 4000 (116600) Noob V2
    Rolex Yachtmaster Rhodium/Blue Noob SA3135

    Tag Heuer Carrera calibre 1887 V6F - Ceramic Bezel Black Dial on SS
    Tudor LHD Pelagos - XF
    Tudor Black Pelagos - ZF V2/V3


    - Under review (likely to be FIRST CLASS, some could be Super Reps but need more feedback) :
    Audemars Piguet - XF V2 FC Diver 15706
    Breitling SuperOcean SeaWolf H-factory v2
    Breitling Superocean Heritage II 42mm - GF Factory (wrong pearl, font too bold, date font)
    Concord C1 - H Factory
    Cartier Panthère Secrete DJ
    Glashutte Senator Sixties - GF
    IWC Big Pilot 5009-12 ZF
    IWC Big Pilot 5009-16 ZF
    IWC 5009-08 LPP ZF V2
    Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean GMT 600m
    Omega De Ville SS MKS
    PAM 616 - CarboTech Submersible VSF A7750
    PAM 424 V2 California Dial Super Clone P.3000 ZF
    Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 PPF White
    Rolex Sea Dweller Deepsea (DBlue) Noob V7
    Rolex Date-Just 116234 ARF

    Rolex Explorer II 42mm 216570 Noob (Correct Hand Stack)
    SevenFriday P2B/03-W ‘Woody’ NFC V6F
    Tudor Heritage Black Bay Bronze Blue XF
    Tudor Black Bay GMT Baselworld 2018 ZF
    Tudor Blue Heritage Black Bay (Bucherer) XF
    Vacheron Constantin Overseas White JJF MY9015 Mod
    (need feedback on movement noise and cross engraving thickness on the back)
    Zenith Extra Special Bronze Edition V6F/KW

    - NOT ACCEPTED as NWBIGs/Super Reps (naked eye instant tell(s)/waiting for update)
    Tudor BB Red Rose Edition ZF - V4/V5
    Rolex Sea Dweller 2017 Baselworld 126600 904L ARF (excellent build quality but magnification is wrong and DW font is terrible)
    Blancpain Villeret 6654 SS (with complication) OMF : moon phase goes the wrong way + adjustment wrong side of the case





    FIRST CLASS category are very good reps, very close to gen, but with one obvious tell for anyone knowing what to look for or with side by side comparison.

    Please note that there are many watches out there that could fit into the FIRST CLASS category.
    This one is only about watches that have been discussed HERE as potential Super Reps and didn't get the status.


    I hope you enjoy my dedication and I hope to be part of this incredible RWI forum for long time.
    Thanks for reading, please join us ! Any suggestion is welcome.

    Credits to those who participated to the original list (@timnic54 and @simonjay, and @ALE7575 for PAMs) and all the participants of the previous thread (too many of you to name), all the guides makers and all of those who will participate here. Special thanks also to Repworld for his continuous will and dedication to enhance this list.
    Last edited by Omagad; 11-07-19, 09:02.

  • Jammydodger79
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    Has anyone any opinion on the GMF 261750 Explorer 2?

    I know the Noob version with CHS is considered NWBIG but is there any consensus on if the GMF beats it?

    I know the GMF has the 3187 with correct Handstack but the movement is probably best considered fragile?

    Any input on which version out there is best?
    Black face in particular?

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  • Jbrahm
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    Originally posted by chocolito View Post

    When there is nothing you need to do to a JF OP but put it on your wrist should indicate to a reasoned man that you are wrong .
    Correction: There is nothing you CAN do to improve the OP without huge cost besides just buying the gen.

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  • kennygconspiracy
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    Originally posted by gnoelkered View Post
    I wish I could upgrade my missus every now and then to a newer version without the repercussions.
    Brilliant, lmao! Maybe a trade-in?

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk

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  • watchqueenhi
    replied
    Omagad What do you think about the Rolex Daytona 116500 NOOB SA4130 V2.2?

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  • Foxxfire
    replied
    Originally posted by kennygconspiracy View Post
    There are plenty of vintage reps that are the best in class (...)
    There's also the vintage IWC Ingeniuer by Noob which is absolutely gorgeous!
    (...)
    100% agree for the IWC 3227

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  • kennygconspiracy
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    Originally posted by Foxxfire View Post
    Hmm... might be.
    But IMHO nobody would buy after 2..3a an old version REP, which wasn't "improved" to a newer "version"... regardless of its flawlessness.
    There are plenty of vintage reps that are the best in class (super reps w/minimal flaws) that are no longer improved upon that people still buy.

    Not vintage but the Seamaster 150m Aqua Terra VSF ultimate series, although not flawless to every minute detail, sets a gold standard for omega reps. They are absolutely magnificent and they were generally stopped at V2 ultimate (except for the James bond aqua terra where a V3 with a different flaw came out)

    There's also the vintage IWC Ingeniuer by Noob which is absolutely gorgeous!

    So aye, there definitely is room for reps that are nearly flawless in the world. It's the best sellers (Rolexes I see you fam; you too, Omega) that have the most versions and disparities

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk


    Last edited by kennygconspiracy; 17-07-19, 11:39.

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  • gnoelkered
    replied
    I wish I could upgrade my missus every now and then to a newer version without the repercussions.

    Leave a comment:


  • Foxxfire
    replied
    Hmm... might be.
    But IMHO nobody would buy after 2..3a an old version REP, which wasn't "improved" to a newer "version"... regardless of its flawlessness.

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  • Tcc13c
    replied
    Originally posted by Foxxfire View Post
    Agree!
    If one factory would create the perfect REP, there wouldn't be the need for future versions.
    So they keep us running for the latest versions of their REPs in the hope, the flaws from the previous version were eradicated...
    Well on the flip side if they made a perfect rep it would sell like hotcakes and the factory wouldn't have to work on R&D anymore.

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  • Foxxfire
    replied
    Agree!
    If one factory would create the perfect REP, there wouldn't be the need for future versions.
    So they keep us running for the latest versions of their REPs in the hope, the flaws from the previous version were eradicated...

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  • kennygconspiracy
    replied
    Originally posted by TheSacredSoul View Post

    Yea the general consensus was this was done deliberately since everything else is so identical to gen. Also raises an interesting question I think. Does this mean rep factories, no matter what, will never get a 100% rep if they are putting in deliberate flaws, no matter how small they might seem, in their reps? Since what they are doing is considered illegal anyway, why would they do this?
    Continued business i.e if you can't find gen pieces to fix flaws you have to buy a different version without the flaw.

    Having many versions means each version has a different flaw from the other. Look at the Rolex factories ARF, NOOB, ZZF, GMF etc. For a Rolex submariner each one has a different version and each factory gets different aspects right.

    It's literally taking a perfect watch and separating it into 9 factories and 18 versions between them all. Huge profits. Extremely clever business plan.

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk

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  • TheSacredSoul
    replied
    Originally posted by kennygconspiracy View Post
    Nope, because after that fix, they made a "mistake" with the hash marks next to the 6 marker; V6 has those hash marks smaller than gen, so it's an easy tell if you know where to look.

    First class? Yes. Super rep? Not with the hash mark flaw so blatantly obvious.

    You can tell I'm irked by it because it seems to be such a deliberate flaw.

    Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
    Yea the general consensus was this was done deliberately since everything else is so identical to gen. Also raises an interesting question I think. Does this mean rep factories, no matter what, will never get a 100% rep if they are putting in deliberate flaws, no matter how small they might seem, in their reps? Since what they are doing is considered illegal anyway, why would they do this?

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  • kennygconspiracy
    replied
    Originally posted by Jammydodger79 View Post

    The backwards step on Dial quality is a PITA considering how good the rest of the watch is.

    When a V5 with a V6 case back is an overall better rep, than the latest version.
    Us customers can't help but feel the errors are a bit too deliberate.
    This, 100 times bass boosted for the audience in the back

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  • Jammydodger79
    replied
    Originally posted by kennygconspiracy View Post
    Nope, because after that fix, they made a "mistake" with the hash marks next to the 6 marker; V6 has those hash marks smaller than gen, so it's an easy tell if you know where to look.
    The backwards step on Dial quality is a PITA considering how good the rest of the watch is.

    When a V5 with a V6 case back is an overall better rep, than the latest version.
    Us customers can't help but feel the errors are a bit too deliberate.

    Leave a comment:

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