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    Hey guys, I just received QC pics for my first tourby - the new VC traditionelle in rose gold. Dial looks incredible - there is some issues with the paint in the engraving on the caseback but I'm honestly not too bothered by it since it'll never see anything other than the outside of my wrist. What has me concerned is the results from the timegraph test: https://ibb.co/PD3Bs8j

    The amplitude is read as 352° - the graph line looks good to me and I know the amplitude will be lower when the watch is less than fully wound (and you're not supposed to fully wind a tourbillon), but I'm worried about the potential for pin banking / damage to the escapement with the amplitude potentially that high. Just wondering if any of you fine tourbillon aficionados ( Dr Fun Socksjm_brc_7057) have any thoughts on whether this is something that would give you pause and consider RL'ing.

    So far in my rep watch history I've yet to RL a watch - I realize the impact it has on a TD but at the same time I don't want to take on an unservicable watch if it is likely to be a ticking time bomb. Way out of my league here and hoping to get some honest advice from you knowledgeable folk.

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      Tig990 id say 352 degrees of amplitude is impossible really. Ive only had one watch over bank but that was only at 330ish degrees of amplitude. Ive not put all of my tourbillons on the timegraper but i can have a quick look if it would help you out. Ill be honest i dont really understand how it measures amplitude through sound, obviously it works but god knows how. From what I remember the most recent brand new tourbillon i got had about 280 degrees. But bear in mind thats at +16 per day. If your reduced it down to 0 seconds per day it would probably be more like 280.

      Also take the results from a td’s timegrapher with a pinch of salt. The line is very short which means hes left it on there for all of 5-10 seconds. Watches are very delicate things, i usually wait for the line to go all the way across then back to the start before i even look at the numbers, it needs to settle down a bit.
      Last edited by Dr Fun Socks; 20-09-20, 15:06.

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        Thanks Dr Fun Socks - the watch that you had overbank, was that your Tradition 7507?

        I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of amplitude - when I take a slow-mo video of my own 7057, it seems like the balance wheel rotates more than 360 degrees, where the amplitude of my QC pics for that was closer to 280: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCHQq0HpEgg

        But then, on this educatinoal video at around 1m 20s, the narrator states that they're aiming to get the balance wheel to 180 degrees of amplitude, and it appears to me that the wheel is rotating 360 degrees in said video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=-Xgcck692js


        edit: I sent an email to the TD (real class act guy we all know) to ask his opinion, told him to GL the watch if he doesn't think the amplitude reading is a concern
        Last edited by Tig990; 20-09-20, 16:52.

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          Originally posted by Tig990 View Post
          Thanks Dr Fun Socks - the watch that you had overbank, was that your Tradition 7507?

          I may have a fundamental misunderstanding of amplitude - when I take a slow-mo video of my own 7057, it seems like the balance wheel rotates more than 360 degrees, where the amplitude of my QC pics for that was closer to 280: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCHQq0HpEgg

          But then, on this educatinoal video at around 1m 20s, the narrator states that they're aiming to get the balance wheel to 180 degrees of amplitude, and it appears to me that the wheel is rotating 360 degrees in said video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=-Xgcck692js


          edit: I sent an email to the TD (real class act guy we all know) to ask his opinion, told him to GL the watch if he doesn't think the amplitude reading is a concern
          Ok your right ive had two over bank. That breguet that i wrote the thread about fixing and an eta 2824 15400. The amplitude was about 330 on the 15400, ill be honest i still havent put the breguet on a timegrapher.

          i may be very wrong but i thing amplitude is from the point of 0 i.e. not moving. So it goes 300ish degrees one way, then it would be about 600 degrees back the other way. As i say im not even 60% sure on that, give it a google.

          if all goes badly wrong i have a watch maker who will service tourbillons. Not sure how you could end up with too much amplitude from not being serviced well but its nice to know.

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            Originally posted by Tig990 View Post
            Hey guys, I just received QC pics for my first tourby - the new VC traditionelle in rose gold. Dial looks incredible - there is some issues with the paint in the engraving on the caseback but I'm honestly not too bothered by it since it'll never see anything other than the outside of my wrist. What has me concerned is the results from the timegraph test: https://ibb.co/PD3Bs8j

            The amplitude is read as 352° - the graph line looks good to me and I know the amplitude will be lower when the watch is less than fully wound (and you're not supposed to fully wind a tourbillon), but I'm worried about the potential for pin banking / damage to the escapement with the amplitude potentially that high. Just wondering if any of you fine tourbillon aficionados ( Dr Fun Socksjm_brc_7057) have any thoughts on whether this is something that would give you pause and consider RL'ing.

            So far in my rep watch history I've yet to RL a watch - I realize the impact it has on a TD but at the same time I don't want to take on an unservicable watch if it is likely to be a ticking time bomb. Way out of my league here and hoping to get some honest advice from you knowledgeable folk.
            Honestly it sounds wrong with such a high amplitude. You should definitely ask the TD what they think. I’m not sure what the problem can be. Maybe a false reading. Basically the amplitude means the degree between the balance wheels counter clockwise and clockwise swing during one beat. And 352 doesn’t sound plausible.
            Last edited by jm_brc_7057; 20-09-20, 18:52.
            My reviews: A.L.&S. 1815 Tourbillon V2 - VC Traditionnelle Tourbillon - VC Traditionnelle - Patek 3800 gen vs Patek 5711 PPF - Patek 5070P Saatchi London Ltd. Edi - Patek 5089G Azulejos - Patek 5524G - Patek 5975R - Patek 5205G - Patek 6102R Celestial Moon Age - Richard Mille 035-02 ZF (crown rubber change).

            Collection inspirational thread.

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              I'll follow up and let you guys know what the word is when I hear back from him!

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                TD got back to me, said in his experience with tourbillon reps, that reading isn't an issue. Gave it the GL!

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                  not new to the group by any means, but new to me

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                    Dr Fun Socks being the RWI RG tourby expert, how long do you think before we see an RG Excalibur Skeleton Double Flying Tourbillon? My friend has one in gen and I'd be lying if I didn't admit it's one of the most stunning watches I've seen to date. Feels like only a matter of time since RBF has been able to pull off the double flying tourbillon right?

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                      Originally posted by NaViSlick View Post
                      Dr Fun Socks being the RWI RG tourby expert, how long do you think before we see an RG Excalibur Skeleton Double Flying Tourbillon? My friend has one in gen and I'd be lying if I didn't admit it's one of the most stunning watches I've seen to date. Feels like only a matter of time since RBF has been able to pull off the double flying tourbillon right?
                      Im definitely not an expert haha! I just like spinning round round baby right round.... you can get a rose gold double tourbillon at the moment. Ive seen a pic, possibly in this thread, of someone with the rose gold bbr. Just bear in mind that the tourbillon on the left on both of them has no time keeping function what so ever. Still looks the same as a double tourbillon but over time one will spin faster than the other. If your after a skeletonised version im guessing it will never happen because that would require a genuine working double tourby and a very complex movement to be cloned. Which gen has your friend got? Pics or it didn’t happen

                      ive tried this one on at the ad, absolutely stunning. Definitely my lottery win watch
                      Last edited by Dr Fun Socks; 26-09-20, 07:54.

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                        Originally posted by Dr Fun Socks View Post

                        Im definitely not an expert haha! I just like spinning round round baby right round.... you can get a rose gold double tourbillon at the moment. Ive seen a pic, possibly in this thread, of someone with the rose gold bbr. Just bear in mind that the tourbillon on the left on both of them has no time keeping function what so ever. Still looks the same as a double tourbillon but over time one will spin faster than the other. If your after a skeletonised version im guessing it will never happen because that would require a genuine working double tourby and a very complex movement to be cloned. Which gen has your friend got? Pics or it didn’t happen

                        ive tried this one on at the ad, absolutely stunning. Definitely my lottery win watch
                        Yeah I guess with the normal double tourbillon, the dial is able to hide the movement so they don't have to worry all that much about it being exactly like gen whereas with the skeleton version, everything is visible. The piece he has is quite similar to the one you tried on, but not the same. The reference number seems to be RDDBEX0269. The primary difference is that the minute markers are dots rather than lines, but the movement is basically the same. I only have one picture of it that he sent me many years ago and it's very low quality, so I'd rather not contribute to this thread with low quality crap. Instead, I'll offer you a picture of a gen IWC Portofino Tourbillon Retrograde I checked out at an AD! If this doesn't satiate you, I will happily dig out the picture of his RD, let me know.

                        It seems like I'm having trouble uploading the image, so here's a link: https://imgur.com/65SnQkC
                        Last edited by NaViSlick; 27-09-20, 06:35.

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                          Originally posted by NaViSlick View Post

                          Yeah I guess with the normal double tourbillon, the dial is able to hide the movement so they don't have to worry all that much about it being exactly like gen whereas with the skeleton version, everything is visible. The piece he has is quite similar to the one you tried on, but not the same. The reference number seems to be RDDBEX0269. The primary difference is that the minute markers are dots rather than lines, but the movement is basically the same. I only have one picture of it that he sent me many years ago and it's very low quality, so I'd rather not contribute to this thread with low quality crap. Instead, I'll offer you a picture of a gen IWC Portofino Tourbillon Retrograde I checked out at an AD! If this doesn't satiate you, I will happily dig out the picture of his RD, let me know.

                          It seems like I'm having trouble uploading the image, so here's a link: https://imgur.com/65SnQkC
                          In my books, anyone with a gen roger dubuis is great friend! Especially if that happens to be the £250k double skeleton gen! Fair play to the guy its a great watch to have.

                          i do also love a retrograde function, the iwc is a great watch too. I have a rep lange with dual retrograde seconds. I mainly like it because it does a lot of action a lof of the time. Dont need to wait a month to see it flick back

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                            Originally posted by Dr Fun Socks View Post

                            In my books, anyone with a gen roger dubuis is great friend! Especially if that happens to be the £250k double skeleton gen! Fair play to the guy its a great watch to have.

                            i do also love a retrograde function, the iwc is a great watch too. I have a rep lange with dual retrograde seconds. I mainly like it because it does a lot of action a lof of the time. Dont need to wait a month to see it flick back
                            He's actually one of my closest friends. Perhaps part of the reason is our shared passion for watches and cars. You can imagine how crazy his collection is simply based on the fact that he's got that RD. He alternates between 3 AP ROO for his daily wear, talk about disproportionate wealth! He claims to have a few RMs, but I haven't seen them (yet I do believe him). On a side note, I was able to handle a gen RM029 (I think, my memory is a bit fuzzy) once from another friends collection, and I was seriously impressed. I don't really think pictures do RMs justice. That said, I think I'd rather spend my money on a new S class or used Lamborghini before I buy an RM!

                            Surprised to know there are reps with functioning retrograde seconds. Perhaps I should have expected it considering how advanced reps have become (seriously, being able to produce a double tourbillon is a crowning achievement in and of itself). Did you happen to write a review on it? Would love to read it.



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                              Originally posted by NaViSlick View Post

                              He's actually one of my closest friends. Perhaps part of the reason is our shared passion for watches and cars. You can imagine how crazy his collection is simply based on the fact that he's got that RD. He alternates between 3 AP ROO for his daily wear, talk about disproportionate wealth! He claims to have a few RMs, but I haven't seen them (yet I do believe him). On a side note, I was able to handle a gen RM029 (I think, my memory is a bit fuzzy) once from another friends collection, and I was seriously impressed. I don't really think pictures do RMs justice. That said, I think I'd rather spend my money on a new S class or used Lamborghini before I buy an RM!

                              Surprised to know there are reps with functioning retrograde seconds. Perhaps I should have expected it considering how advanced reps have become (seriously, being able to produce a double tourbillon is a crowning achievement in and of itself). Did you happen to write a review on it? Would love to read it.


                              Oh of course he must be minted! Money cant buy taste, but if he has an rd double tourbillon and a few roo’s, i think his taste in time pieces must be fantastic! I have been to the rm ad too, as much as I appreciate that they are very well made and advanced watches, they just dont do it for me. I find them a bit chunky on the whole. Each to their own i guess.

                              I didnt do a review of the split retrograde seconds but i did take it apart and fit it which you can see here. Turns out the mechanism is very simple and pretty ingenious!
                              https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...ement-nerd-out

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                                Originally posted by Dr Fun Socks View Post

                                Oh of course he must be minted! Money cant buy taste, but if he has an rd double tourbillon and a few roo’s, i think his taste in time pieces must be fantastic! I have been to the rm ad too, as much as I appreciate that they are very well made and advanced watches, they just dont do it for me. I find them a bit chunky on the whole. Each to their own i guess.

                                I didnt do a review of the split retrograde seconds but i did take it apart and fit it which you can see here. Turns out the mechanism is very simple and pretty ingenious!
                                https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...ement-nerd-out
                                RMs are definitely an acquired taste. I think perhaps half the draw for many people is the hype around the watches themselves. With so many celebrities flaunting RMs, it definitely drives up the desire for people who are just as wealthy but not exactly famous.

                                Great post btw, just read through it. You'd never imagine a watch that looks so complicated to actually mechanically be so simple, you're right.

                                Reading through this thread really makes me wonder if I'd be able to pull of a tourbillon as my very first rep... Not so sure, but I'm not completely against the idea either. Jumping into the deep end is always a fun albeit dangerous adventure.

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