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[REVIEW] of my PATEK PHILIPPE 5070 (UPDT 07.02.10)

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    [REVIEW] of my PATEK PHILIPPE 5070 (UPDT 07.02.10)

    Hi all,

    I just received this beauty yesterday from Andrew.
    First, here are some shots.
    I hope you will enjoy, the same way I did !












    The Dealer : Andrew. Nothing to say, all went well, as for my other orders. I had to wait a little bit more, since I placed the order right before CNY, but once it was posted, it needed 4 days to reach me.
    The watch was priced at 228 $ + 30 $ EMS fee
    What I got is what was advertized on the website. No bad surprise.
    As mentionned, it's my first "high end" rep, but I find it affordable still. That's about 175 Euros, the price of a correct gen (Citizen, Seiko...). But except the price, nothing in common while wearing it !! :cute:

    Feeling, as a watch : it's 40 mm diameter, the perfect size for my wrist. It has a sapphire crystal on both sides. The only test I know to check if the glass is actually sapphire is the water drop test. And here it works. So I guess that this is truely a sapphire dressed watch.
    It's also supposed to have a thick (SIC ) white gold plating. Impossible to check. What is obvious is that it looks different from my other polished stainless steel watches. I would say darker, or "colder". It really reflects everything like a mirror.
    The strap which came with the watch is very standard. Not too bad, but it looks like an alligator imitation...which it is actually. I replaced it by a better one from ZRC.

    The movement is the so called "Lemania handwinding", which I understood to be nothing else than a Seagull ST-19. I don't know how accurate the copy is (probably quite far from the original), but I read from many posters that it is bullet proof. The fact that it's not automatic and therefore has no rotor makes it absolutely gorgeous visually. I could look at it the whole day...
    It has working chronos. That's for me the first non quartz working chrono. (no 7750 in my collection) I love it ! The small seconds hand really sweeps smoothly. But the main seconds hand (the one that is linked to the chrono) seems to stutter regularly, although it has an accurate measuring. I guess it should work some days before sweeping better. I'm currently letting the chrono run. I'll let you know the results later.
    Which is a bit worrying for me is how the chrono resets : it's very strong, so strong that I can hear the noise of the hand resetting. That makes me worry about this hand falling once !! For sure, chrono is not the main usage I will do. And this behaviour does not encourage me to do so anyway.

    The general feeling is excellent. I could not see any issue in the "finishing" or details, as I did for all other reps I own. Everythings very well aligned, the movement winds witout problem and except this stuttering hand, I have nothing to remark. That sounds good ! I really feel like wearing a high quality watch and I have no hesitation handing it to anyone who wants to have a closer look.
    Today I heard only "oh" and "ah" at the office. That's generally a good sign about the general impression a watch gives...
    It's definitely a dressy watch, despite the chronos. It's supposed to be water resistant. Let's hope it's at least shower resistant, that would already be enough for me...
    No AR coating, but it's not really missing, especially with the white dial.
    We had a little discussion about the colour with Ethan : although the 2 whites (main and subdials) are different, I cannot describe the main dial as cream. It's definitely white. I have a cream dial on my MontBlanc, and it obviously looks very different.

    Feeling, as a rep Well, we already had this discussion with Ethan in an other thread too. It's far from perfect, but still it's a good rep. First some pics of the original. The first come from Patek's website, the following from... ebay !!! Where it's sold for something like 55 000 dollars ! (who is nuts enough to purchase such a thing from the Bay ??!
    I'm currently trying to buy a copy of the depolyant clasp, I've seen some there.









    Well... I can only point out the differences from these pics, as I doubt I will ever approach the gen !
    Let's start by the most obvious : the subdials are smaller on the rep. Also they are placed differently (that's normal, due to their size).
    The main dial seems quite accurate, but the "base" mention on the top is missing on the rep.
    The digits are correct but don't have the right colour : on the rep, they're silver, whereas the gen have darker ones (looks like glossy black or grey).
    Ethan told me on RWG that the crown and the pushers are also different, which is less obvious for my noob eyes.
    Now, let's talk about the back : of course, the movement is different, but for a "normal" person having a glance at the original pics, I doubt one would really make the difference. The "PATEK" name is missing on the Seagull movement. The rest of the case seems quite accurate, except near the crown.
    Oh, I forgot. My watch (yes, its MINE now ! ) is 40 mm diameter against 42 for the gen.

    I guess that the gen is in solid white gold (I hope, for the price !). Therefore it has the little stamps (I don't know if that's the correct English word. The French one is poinçon, for those who can translate for me). These are missing on the rep. It would not have been difficult to do them. But then again, it's a detail.

    So, as a conclusion about the copy : not so good in details, but the overall look and accuracy is pretty good. For sure, a PATEK fan could call me, but I don't know so many around ... eh, eh !
    I love this watch, it breathes the high quality watch (and thanks Ethan for commenting the chronos behaviour is normal, I was a bit anxious). It's definitely worth the money and I have no reluctance in advising this modell to anyone looking for an unusual dressy watch. I must assert that I prefer it to my Montblanc, which was my favorite watch until now...


    Update on Feb. 7th 2010 (yes, still ticking and not serviced yet !!)

    Broken links fixed.
    Installed a new strap and had both crystals AR'ed by FineDD. That makes the watch further better than it is already.



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    #2
    awesome watch..especially the back...remember "you never actually own Patek Rep, you merely take care of it for the next generation" ...and great pics too..
    "Big hitter, the Lama. How about a Fresca? Gunga la Gunga"

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      #3
      excellent review!

      for my taste, have no time for this version.. but you did justice far more than most

      to the review process!

      Enjoy!!

      Life is Good!
      Klink

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        #4
        Thx both !
        I must say that reviews are in fact melting several of my hobbies : watches, pictures and photoshop playing...
        My best satisfaction is people reading and enjoying it. I mean it !
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          #5
          dun care you meant or not!

          was enjoyable effect

          that countz!

          :P 8)

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            #6
            I thought it might be interesting having both gen and rep on the same pic, for an easier comparison.

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              #7
              Re: PATEK Philippe 5070 from Andrew : my review

              Originally posted by Pix
              I guess that the gen is in solid white gold (I hope, for the price !). Therefore it has the little stamps (I don't know if that's the correct English word. The French one is poinçon, for those who can translate for me). These are missing on the rep. It would not have been difficult to do them. But then again, it's a detail.
              In the UK we call these 'little symbols' Hallmarks and theres a good reason that they are not on the rep,until recently (OK 1773 :-) ) the penalty for counterfeiting the Hallmark was death!

              Rob
              Watches are like Dictionaries, the worst is better than none and the best cannot be expected to go quite true.
              [Samuel Johnson]

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                #8
                Do you mean some kind of intellectual property was violated ?
                You know that in France, some time ago (1789) you could loose your head just by wearing a counterfeit Vuitton bag ! Asdk Marie-Antoinette !

                Thanks for the translation !
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Pix
                  Do you mean some kind of intellectual property was violated ?
                  You know that in France, some time ago (1789) you could loose your head just by wearing a counterfeit Vuitton bag ! Asdk Marie-Antoinette !

                  Thanks for the translation !
                  I think it's safe to say the rep factory doesn't have access to the local Assay Office!!

                  Seriously though, the maximum penalty is still 10 years imprisonment

                  Watches are like Dictionaries, the worst is better than none and the best cannot be expected to go quite true.
                  [Samuel Johnson]

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                    #10
                    OK... but I mean, what prevents them to copy this as they copy all the rest ?
                    All that business is anyway punished by law.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Pix
                      OK... but I mean, what prevents them to copy this as they copy all the rest ?
                      All that business is anyway punished by law.
                      Only the Assay office can put the Hallmark on.in all the photos from the manufacturer the watch 'shot' wil be virginal,i.e. not sent to the Assay Office.

                      As most reps are done from photos and quick measurements of originals the rep guy is unlikely to have seen the hallmarks.

                      All this is supposition on my part and might be .........wrong!

                      Rob
                      Watches are like Dictionaries, the worst is better than none and the best cannot be expected to go quite true.
                      [Samuel Johnson]

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                        #12
                        I'm very interesting about Patek....You confort me.....
                        Thanks a lot..

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                          #13
                          pretty nice watch...thanks for sharing with us !!
                          "The object of life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body,
                          but rather to skid in sideways,
                          totally worn out, shouting :

                          'Holy S h i t, What a Ride !!!"

                          (Mavis Leyrer)

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                            #14
                            Update on Feb. 7th 2010 (yes, still ticking and not serviced yet !!)

                            Broken links fixed.
                            Installed a new strap and had both crystals AR'ed by FineDD. That makes the watch further better than it is already.





                            Now wondering if I wouldn't mod the markers on the dial. A dark transparent varnish should do the trick...
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                              #15
                              You should be banned, Pix. Your pictures are so incredible I don't want to look at my watches
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