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    Thinking about making a Tiffany & Co. Stamp for Nautilus

    So, I'm not sure how many people do and don't follow my pics and stuff, but in another life I used to be a major model enthusiast, including painting. I don't really want to get into what qualifies me, but let's just say that I did airbrushing and hand painting with all major paint types, on a variety of materials, at incredibly small scales. When I saw the images on Hodinkee's site where they actually stamp the dial, and a blue dial Tiffany stamped Nautilus sell for $350,000, I decided to see if it is something I can do.

    Tiffany & Co use a simple set up, and while they have a fancier rubber stamp, I think I could make do with a simple rubber stamp.

    Here is how Tiffany does it:






    The difficult part is finding the piece of equipment they use to stamp it. I'll need some sort of slow and steady system I can gently pull the stamp down reliably accurately.

    Any idea what this might be called?

    It seems to be just a matter of making a stamp and mounting it to the equipment.

    The tricky part will then be using an appropriate ink and evenly coating the stamp without any excess ink.I have a spare PF white dial I can try it on and measure how big it will need to be.



    More to come, but this seems reasonably affordable and something that, if executed well, could be worthwhile.


    Edit:
    I've created a raster file to upload to a website. I had to mess with the spacing because, as you'll notice, there is NO SPACE between the "&Co.", and a very small space between the "y &". Here it is, ready to upload:


    Further evidence on a Nautilus:


    Once I get measurements, I'll make a custom stamp (and see if they allow me to haha)
    Last edited by majwilliams0308; 14-08-19, 18:08.

    #2
    I believe the printing process used on dials is called Pad Printing.


    https://youtu.be/mCLTxWn3zWo

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      #3
      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Manual-Pad-...3ab3e24b929e07
      QFOAHDT

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        #4
        Perfect.

        I've reached out to a couple plate vendors asking if they are willing to make me a plate with the raster file I have above. I am going to get exact dimensions, but I just told them it will be a very small print and will get them dimensions if they can do it.

        I also found an electric one as well thats around the same price ($200). If this goes well, we can get a few plates made for the older Rolex/Patek models as well as a smaller logo for the Aquanaut dial (I think it is a smaller stamp due to the squares on the dial)

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          #5
          Originally posted by majwilliams0308 View Post

          Perfect.

          I've reached out to a couple plate vendors asking if they are willing to make me a plate with the raster file I have above. I am going to get exact dimensions, but I just told them it will be a very small print and will get them dimensions if they can do it.

          I also found an electric one as well thats around the same price ($200). If this goes well, we can get a few plates made for the older Rolex/Patek models as well as a smaller logo for the Aquanaut dial (I think it is a smaller stamp due to the squares on the dial)
          ohhhh maybe a comex logo ?

          QFOAHDT

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            #6
            Originally posted by Raddave View Post

            ohhhh maybe a comex logo ?

            Yeah probably actually. If I can find a person/company willing to make the plates, they're relatively cheap (~$30). Then it becomes a matter of just rinse and repeat. The trick is finding a good plate maker who will make these custom logos

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              #7
              Originally posted by majwilliams0308 View Post

              Yeah probably actually. If I can find a person/company willing to make the plates, they're relatively cheap (~$30). Then it becomes a matter of just rinse and repeat. The trick is finding a good plate maker who will make these custom logos
              I really enjoy the fact that you have the experience to handle such a small silk printing.
              There are not many people that can see the difference between a letter with 0.7mm high and a letter with 1mm high...

              So, the way that most of high end dials are printed is with a pad printer ( i call them silicon ball printer).
              You need a cliche as a "prototype" and a small amount of silk print paint.

              Procedure goes like this:

              a) Fit the dial on the printer plate for it.
              Scan them with a plain scanner (and then correct scanners fault inside your vector app) to have an almost accurate possitioning
              for your design.

              b) order a blanc piece of steel at the same measures with your printers' plate for dial. ~10$
              c) give the piece of steel and your file (use plates' square shape among with dials' cyrcle for registration in the file) to a shop that does jewerly carving and etching (mostly with laser). ~10$
              If you don't have a shop like this in your range, use silk printing to create a mask and do yourself the etching as you can see in youtube.
              d) Fill silk printing paint only in the letters that you need. Apply and wipe the excess in one move using a razor. Sounds too much, it's very easy for anyone.
              e) "Grab" the paint by pressing the silicon ball on it, carefully replace your piece of steel with printers plate that has your dial, press it back gently and cross fingers!

              This is a beautiful watchmaking procedure that you will enjoy and create the gen appearance more than everything else.

              In case that you have available a flat bed printer (mostly in bellow the line advertising offices) that can print letters close to 2pt, its a "shortcut" that you can
              use and save steps b), d), and e). After a bunch of tests you will gain (hopefully) the right position and a result very similar to silk printing.

              Enjoy it!

              ps: i can see that your PF dial has a "leveled" surface. That allows you to have a full coverage contact with a "silk" mask.
              So, if you can achieve a perfect register among dial and mask (use dials' register on your mask OR greate one in case that hasn't)
              you can save time and money creating your mask at home and do a lot of tests before the final print.
              Last edited by JOP; 14-08-19, 06:46.

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                #8
                That´s a great project. I would love to add a Tiffany logo to my aquanaut.

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                  #9
                  Really interested in this project. Hope you manage to find everything you need.

                  It’s a pity the dial factories don’t think of doing it themselves and selling the double signed dials as extra options with the reps.


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                    #10
                    Just saw a video of F P Journe on ther Instagram that might interest you.

                    https://www.instagram.com/p/B1JOBgnC...d=kr5od4nigylc

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by MasterWatch View Post
                      Just saw a video of F P Journe on ther Instagram that might interest you.

                      https://www.instagram.com/p/B1JOBgnC...d=kr5od4nigylc
                      That is a fantastic find!

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by MasterWatch View Post
                        Just saw a video of F P Journe on ther Instagram that might interest you.

                        https://www.instagram.com/p/B1JOBgnC...d=kr5od4nigylc
                        This is perfect. Matches another video I saw as well. I will need to get a smaller silicon pad that will house the ink solely for the Tiffany logo. I worry that a big pad might damage or knock the markers loose. Total cost of this project will be probably $300-400

                        Still undecided which kind of silicon pad printing I want. Most likely will do the manual one as I have more control.

                        I found a local place that has high DPI laser engraving for metal. They said they have experience doing pad printing in the past and will help make a plate for me. they need to know size, depth of engraving (for the ink) and will need to make a few so we get the size just right. I think this might come together.
                        Last edited by majwilliams0308; 14-08-19, 17:02.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by majwilliams0308 View Post
                          Total cost of this project will be probably $300-400
                          I think you'll be able to make that money back in notime if you stamp some dials around here

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                            #14
                            Another great video showing the process. https://youtu.be/YPHx4ebW0iY

                            I have narrowed down the machine and pad type. The only thing left now is the plate and ink
                            Last edited by majwilliams0308; 14-08-19, 20:35.

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                              #15
                              Great project ! Always loved pad printing but never got around to making the machine, most of the ink, mold for the pads, squeegees and other stuff can be found on cousinuk website, so I'm pretty sure you can find it on its US equivalent

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