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    #31
    Originally posted by Ultra929 View Post
    PPF superior to the genuine? I suppose it’s all speculative and subjective but the goal in replication of these watches by Chinese factories is accuracy. The PPF falls short in bezel proportion, crown size, datewheel font size, the blue dial is very far off, the jewels are too red and 4 members have reported the ceramic bearing on clasp popped off - so there’s quality issues. A couple members have reported the bracelet feels flimsy or cheap compared to PF.

    The PF on the other hand is extremely accurate to gen proportions in bezel and case. Early on some complained the bracelet was stiff and wouldn’t fit small wrists - and most found it bent or stretched with some wear and could be easily modded. Some complained the lume was too green or the rotor made noise, then others mentioned the gen had similar lume color in light and the rotor is known to be loud on gen, and nothing a drop of oil can’t fix. The dial color is a bit off to be certain and the date font is as well but a new date wheel is available and with that mod, the PF is a very nice rep.
    Hi guys, well, moving on is good, but having some points discussed in an objective manner is even better . It seems to me that some arguments here are more related to the ownership of each piece , which is understandable bc we tend to give more attention to the flaws on the others' ones,

    So, please let's see first a video of the new genuine 5711 white and blue, and I'll discuss the points in sequence





    So, the comparison of PPF white is well known already, and recent side by side with genuine proves how good it is. Basically, the angle of bevel on bezel and the protruding crown are the evident flaws, given the fact the thinner date font is quite similar to the updated gen ( see video). I'd say that IMHO a gen dial is no longer in need for a project for white one...

    For the PPF blue, the colour is really a thing that has to be improved -- it's surely off. Lots of good pics of yours guys show a good colour in certain angles, but in other angles not ( as you can see in the OP's pics - sorry OP ! ). I'd say that if we could get a side by side with gen blue would kill this doubt once and for all. But anyway if you have your PPF blue, watch the video and see how similar or not the dials are.

    There's at the end of video a 5712 showing up too. And colour is quite similar to 5711's . I do know for sure that 5712 and 5711 pre 2018 are quite similar colour too, therefore I'd say that 5711's versions ( pre e pos 2018) are quite similar too. There's a pic in the beginning of video with the two versions side by side but lighting is not the best to show the subtle differences or lack thereof.


    About PF's points, it seems PF got the bevel better but I cannot say about the other dimensions of case and even bezel -- I'd need to see a good comparison in order to affirm that. But as the thickness is bigger than PPF's, well some dimensions are not correct, right? I reckon that PF was an excellent first attempt for a good 5711 ( excluding the DW font , of course).

    BTW, genuine 5711 has indeed a flimsy bracelet ....

    Last, PF dial is well regarded bc for most of you guys it looks similar to genuine. Well, IMHO it's far off from truth - sorry for my frank opinion. Let's forget about the indices placement ( huge tell it's a fake watch), also forget about the stock DW ... , hands...., it looks like the colour would be the only good thing, correct?

    I have pointed this out already, but let's do it again. See the following post


    https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...711-vs-pp-5712


    As you can see, the lack of grey tones makes the PF dial too much electric blue and quite off. Remember -- 5712 is similar colour to 5711, specially on pre 2018's .



    So, if you like your PPF or PF that's the most important thing to start with. But if you want to get a piece that is the closest possible to the genuine look, well, we have to wait for those factories to try a bit harder on blue ones. I believe they can do better, for sure. On other hand, the white one V2 is amazing .....

    cheers

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      #32
      Chaosg Well spoken. Agreed and thanks. That’s exactly how we get to the bottom of which rep has which positive and negative attributes.
      Last edited by Ultra929; 10-05-19, 18:35.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Chaosg View Post

        Hi guys, well, moving on is good, but having some points discussed in an objective manner is even better . It seems to me that some arguments here are more related to the ownership of each piece , which is understandable bc we tend to give more attention to the flaws on the others' ones,

        So, please let's see first a video of the new genuine 5711 white and blue, and I'll discuss the points in sequence





        So, the comparison of PPF white is well known already, and recent side by side with genuine proves how good it is. Basically, the angle of bevel on bezel and the protruding crown are the evident flaws, given the fact the thinner date font is quite similar to the updated gen ( see video). I'd say that IMHO a gen dial is no longer in need for a project for white one...

        For the PPF blue, the colour is really a thing that has to be improved -- it's surely off. Lots of good pics of yours guys show a good colour in certain angles, but in other angles not ( as you can see in the OP's pics - sorry OP ! ). I'd say that if we could get a side by side with gen blue would kill this doubt once and for all. But anyway if you have your PPF blue, watch the video and see how similar or not the dials are.

        There's at the end of video a 5712 showing up too. And colour is quite similar to 5711's . I do know for sure that 5712 and 5711 pre 2018 are quite similar colour too, therefore I'd say that 5711's versions ( pre e pos 2018) are quite similar too. There's a pic in the beginning of video with the two versions side by side but lighting is not the best to show the subtle differences or lack thereof.


        About PF's points, it seems PF got the bevel better but I cannot say about the other dimensions of case and even bezel -- I'd need to see a good comparison in order to affirm that. But as the thickness is bigger than PPF's, well some dimensions are not correct, right? I reckon that PF was an excellent first attempt for a good 5711 ( excluding the DW font , of course).

        BTW, genuine 5711 has indeed a flimsy bracelet ....

        Last, PF dial is well regarded bc for most of you guys it looks similar to genuine. Well, IMHO it's far off from truth - sorry for my frank opinion. Let's forget about the indices placement ( huge tell it's a fake watch), also forget about the stock DW ... , hands...., it looks like the colour would be the only good thing, correct?

        I have pointed this out already, but let's do it again. See the following post


        https://forum.replica-watch.info/for...711-vs-pp-5712


        As you can see, the lack of grey tones makes the PF dial too much electric blue and quite off. Remember -- 5712 is similar colour to 5711, specially on pre 2018's .



        So, if you like your PPF or PF that's the most important thing to start with. But if you want to get a piece that is the closest possible to the genuine look, well, we have to wait for those factories to try a bit harder on blue ones. I believe they can do better, for sure. On other hand, the white one V2 is amazing .....

        cheers
        thanks Chaosg — you have definitely demonstrated the right way to discuss pros and cons of reps in as objective a manner as possible


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          #34
          This is an endless debate, that's why moving on was a good thing, pretty much everything has been said about the colour of the blue dial, so unless a new version comes out, I don't think this will lead to anything but confusion, again and again.

          The colour is off, evidently, it's not a gen and the colour obsession of Patek will prevent any rep to be a perfect match.

          But I disagree with pretty much everything you said in your last post Chaosg about the colour comparison. I could use the same analogy by saying that in certain angle the PP look electric blue and surely there's enough natural and non-natural light photo on the web that proves it.

          And this starts the endless debate that there isn't one blue dial colour, there's multiple hence why Patek serialise their dial production on this particular model. It's Patek yes, but this isn't a flagship model for them, it's a popular one, but far from their high-end stuff, variability is a thing even at Patek.

          In the end, those colours are good, certainly no instant tell, as long as people like them, they have a good range of choice between MKF, PF and PPF and that's very likeable

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            #35
            Originally posted by Glaude View Post
            This is an endless debate, that's why moving on was a good thing, pretty much everything has been said about the colour of the blue dial, so unless a new version comes out, I don't think this will lead to anything but confusion, again and again.

            The colour is off, evidently, it's not a gen and the colour obsession of Patek will prevent any rep to be a perfect match.

            But I disagree with pretty much everything you said in your last post Chaosg about the colour comparison. I could use the same analogy by saying that in certain angle the PP look electric blue and surely there's enough natural and non-natural light photo on the web that proves it.

            And this starts the endless debate that there isn't one blue dial colour, there's multiple hence why Patek serialise their dial production on this particular model. It's Patek yes, but this isn't a flagship model for them, it's a popular one, but far from their high-end stuff, variability is a thing even at Patek.

            In the end, those colours are good, certainly no instant tell, as long as people like them, they have a good range of choice between MKF, PF and PPF and that's very likeable
            Merci, monsieur

            I was not intending to create or fuel a debate, as a matter of fact.

            I do agree that you can achieve certain shades depending on the light source, either for gen or reps


            What I am intending in fact is to show side by side comparisons , where there is no doubt and both pieces would react to the same light source. I did post on other thread a comparison I've done few years back between my gen and the SW200, and IMHO the later is much closer colourwise to gen than the PF's or PPF's.

            This is not intended for creating any further heated discussion because, I hope, the images could speak by themselves. It's only for the sake of information.

            cheers
            Last edited by Chaosg; 11-05-19, 00:11.

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              #36
              This is how the forum members have created the NWBIG list, by social interaction and research.

              A thread on repgeek had gen owner post pics in same light with his PF. And his comments below. I do agree the dial color, datewheel, and marker placement is off. Personally, I wish a factory would come up with an NWBIG 5711. But I’m not going to pretend that it’s happened.

              Just wanted to contribute the pics of both side by side as you mentioned Chaosg


              Last edited by Ultra929; 11-05-19, 19:52.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Ultra929 View Post
                the NWBIG list


                Originally posted by Ultra929 View Post
                by social interaction and research.
                Not denying or refusing that, but everything has been said so far about the current release, no need to come back again and again and again on it.
                People forget too fast what it's like to be a noob here, looking for informations, due to this endless back and forth about the same things, good and documented posts are lost, and people are too !
                It's a bloody nightmare to find a reliable information because of that

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                  #38
                  Always has been a nightmare doing the research Glaude. Need to hear all info. Part of the hobby. I actually enjoy it. That’s why memebers are always telling new members to “do a search and read the thread on it.”

                  The info i posted above is from a gen 5711 owner comparing a PF. How is that confusing? I’d consider it reliable info.

                  By the way I loved your web page review on the MKF V5.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Ultra929 View Post
                    The info i posted above is from a gen 5711 owner comparing a PF. How is that confusing? I’d consider it reliable info.
                    And as you see, I didn't dis it or even made a single comment about it ! No problem with that, I don't find this post confusing. It's a great info, and go well with what I've been saying : blue colour way off ? Get you eyes checked ! Blue colour not exactly the same ? Of course it's not.

                    Originally posted by Ultra929 View Post
                    Always has been a nightmare doing the research Glaude
                    And that's exactly why I'm enforcing a stricter policy regarding comments in highly commented release. There's absolutely no need nor reason that research should be a nightmare.

                    Of course opposing opinions are a good thing, people can make their mind on which point bother them or not, discussion and debate are welcomed, as long as they follow what should be the ultimate rule on a forum : share with documentation, sources or factual content, or put the necessary quote on what you said (you as in the one posting, not you in particular).

                    We perfectly know how to decode information, because we are used to either the people commenting or the subject, or both. But I think each contribution should always be made with the future noob reader in mind.

                    Doing research is a thing, being more confused after the research than before isn't really needed.

                    People like to go over and over the same subject because other people can't digest the fact that their rep isn't perfect. I perfectly know the flaw of my reps, I perfectly know that other rep can be better, and if you read my review, you see that I'm only factual and when I emit an opinion, I take all the precautions necessary to ensure that the reader only see it as an opinion.

                    I encourage debate and I'm happy to see that some of the most annoying personas aren't around as much as before, the PPF release thread was at a moment, a pure mess, each new thread about the nautilus has been very good since.

                    And to be clear, there's no censorship in here, I will never censor anything said even if I don't like it, however everyone should expect some snarky remarks for other users when it's done

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                      #40
                      Right on Glaude. Appreciate your comments. ;-)

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Ultra929 View Post
                        This is how the forum members have created the NWBIG list, by social interaction and research.

                        A thread on repgeek had gen owner post pics in same light with his PF. And his comments below. I do agree the dial color, datewheel, and marker placement is off. Personally, I wish a factory would come up with an NWBIG 5711. But I’m not going to pretend that it’s happened.

                        Just wanted to contribute the pics of both side by side as you mentioned Chaosg


                        I hate to fuel the fire of debate (and happen to agree entirely with Glaude’s assessment that they are clearly not the same but it’s not correct to state they are “way off” as everyone keeps saying) but why does the PF looks twice the size of the gen in all these pics? It can’t be that much closer to the camera in the close proximity shots surely? Also this is far from appropriate lighting for a dial colour comparison, the dials are so dark in this shot you can hardly see any colour at all!

                        DC

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                          #42
                          PS: Take the side by side, turn up the brightness so you can actually see the dial, turn up the saturation so you can compare colour objectively, then crop them together and voila...





                          The purpley PF makes itself known once again

                          Not “way off” as this is obviously heavily exaggerated by the saturation, but certainly not the same!

                          DC

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                            #43


                            Originally posted by _DC_ View Post

                            I hate to fuel the fire of debate (and happen to agree entirely with Glaude’s assessment that they are clearly not the same but it’s not correct to state they are “way off” as everyone keeps saying) but why does the PF looks twice the size of the gen in all these pics? It can’t be that much closer to the camera in the close proximity shots surely? Also this is far from appropriate lighting for a dial colour comparison, the dials are so dark in this shot you can hardly see any colour at all!

                            DC
                            I think the size difference is because the focal distance is very short, so it kind of warps the image(?) like a fisheye.
                            I also agree on the lighting, the dials are too dark to make a good comparison. The PF almost looks black.

                            To add some more fuel: in these pictures it looks like the PF lacks bevelling on the case & bracelet, or was this already noted.

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                              #44
                              Ultra929 I’ve found your contributions on this thread insightful and useful. Keep up the good work.
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                                #45
                                Guys, don't take me wrong. PF and PPF are great replicas. Pf had such major improvements over previous ones. I don't know MK's so please let me know the comparo you might have for my info, I couldn't find Glaude's here so far.

                                We have now such a fantastic white PPF , with little to be fixed on next version ( I hope ). But we keep coming back to the blue ones.

                                As I already said, I can make a comparison between my gen blue and yours PF, PPF or MKF , given you guys were interested and, of course, send me your piece in order to do so. I don't know if it's still interesting for you guys, but I keep my offer here.


                                Again, side by side comparisons are the only way to judge the colour similarities. You can have PF , or even PPF, quite close to gen in certain angles and light sources, also off in others, and way off in the rest of them. So, affirming that they are close colourwise is valid in certain situations -- of course! , but that they are way off is too valid, isn't it?




                                cheers

                                PS: just about the "coming back to the same points" issue, I have so far not found comprehensive side by side comparisons here between gen blue and the corresponding PF and MKF pieces. So, I don't understand that we are coming back to some points over and over again, as it seems there's a lack of it in fact, isn't it?
                                Last edited by Chaosg; 12-05-19, 18:50.

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