mrsullivan
One thing I did notice about the subdial is VSF version seems to have a white or silver color ring around it?
One thing I did notice about the subdial is VSF version seems to have a white or silver color ring around it?
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VSF PAM88
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KOT1917
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I think it doesn't even depend on the series, but on the situation. Still, gen Panerai are rather inconsistent in their production, especially in the early years.
Everything that we see in good rep is also found in gen. Sticking cg pin, different cp, rounded cg inner corners, unaligned date, and more.
As you rightly said, respected moderator mysterio , there are factual errors, compared to which other things are trifles. Although, I do not see new versions of vsf, even with the discovered shortcomings.
But at the same time, for example, even gen often does not have such a well-processed pin cg on the back side.
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Actually the tip of the CP on my 88 sits flush with the hand and of course slightly domed in shape - the picture above is misleading due to the light reflection creating the apparent cavity.
Even the close up picture below is misleading as the CP appears to be a different finish to the hands - this is also just due to the lighting and the domed shape of the CP versus the flat hands. The polished finish is consistent in reality.
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I'll take outdoor shots tomorrow yes, this "incorrect-but-damn-lovely" 088 is not leaving my wrist for a while ;-)
sukwonee the subdial is clear but I can't tell if it's white or silver. It shows wide under low angle lightings but looks good IRL.
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To my eye, it appears that the subdial on this new 88 variant was cut/milled slightly deeper than the gen or other reps. This would create the look of a white or silver border around the circumference of the subdial due to the additional depth.
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I didn't noticed that vsf used the p9000 clone instead of the A7750 base ( OP VIII ) for the movement until I saw the pictures from mrsullivan !
It's milled smooth vs concentric circles like the genuine and older reps. Unfortunately a significant obvious tell that cannot be mitigated easily.
Well. There's a first conclusion I can express here based on the first glances I had at it. The build quality is there, once again VSF has very good standards when it comes to build a watch.
Each parts are independently well worked (case, hands, dial...) and put together.
But VSF could have done much better than that iteration of the 088 regarding it's replicating power.
This 088, although good looking and working well, is a mimic of the 088. It looks like they messed up the plans when building it : wrong parts all other the place. So of course the rep game is about what one can accept as flaws or incorrect aspects of a watch, but if you buy this one looking for a perfect clone, you're in for desillusion.
The word says "the devil is in the details", here's a perfect example of that.
So, this watch is a gorgeous and solid 44mm GMT, and honestly it looks anf feels great on the wrist, but it's a miss as a PAM088 replica.
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Each parts are independently well worked (case, hands, dial...) and put together.
But VSF could have done much better than that iteration of the 088 regarding it's replicating power.
This 088, although good looking and working well, is a mimic of the 088. It looks like they messed up the plans when building it : wrong parts all other the place. So of course the rep game is about what one can accept as flaws or incorrect aspects of a watch, but if you buy this one looking for a perfect clone, you're in for desillusion.
The word says "the devil is in the details", here's a perfect example of that.
So, this watch is a gorgeous and solid 44mm GMT, and honestly it looks anf feels great on the wrist, but it's a miss as a PAM088 replica.
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Well said, thanks for the detailed opinion and pictures!
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It’s a Seriously good looking watch! Growing one me.
If you like you’re old school PAMs, like me and don’t care for gen vs rep academic differences, that only the internet knows, then this is a great looking watch you could wear and enjoy.
Some pics for fun:
If you like you’re old school PAMs, like me and don’t care for gen vs rep academic differences, that only the internet knows, then this is a great looking watch you could wear and enjoy.
Some pics for fun:
Well, I agree. When making abstraction of the inacuracies to gen, it's a great looking watch. I've had it the whole morning on my wrist and it's superb.
Thank you for these pictures KSwatches, they show how good it is IRL.
Here is more eyecandy, fresh from the wrist :
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Thank you for these pictures KSwatches, they show how good it is IRL.
Here is more eyecandy, fresh from the wrist :
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Thanks for the pics KSwatches and mrsullivan looking forward to mine landing, hopefully sometime next week!
Well, I agree. When making abstraction of the inacuracies to gen, it's a great looking watch. I've had it the whole morning on my wrist and it's superb.
Thank you for these pictures KSwatches, they show how good it is IRL.
Here is more eyecandy, fresh from the wrist :
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That's the money shot!
Replisimio
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Omg! The lumed strap takes tasteless to a whole new level lol
If they swap in a 7750 and add concentric circles to the sub dial it’s a winner oh and the polished cg of course!
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If they swap in a 7750 and add concentric circles to the sub dial it’s a winner oh and the polished cg of course!
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LOL, I realised it's enlumed when I got home late morning. It did'nt appeal to me on pictures, but once on the wrist I surprisingly like the white letterings on the strap. When it comes to the lume... eeeh not my thing but I don't mind, it's a funny feature. This VSF rubber feels great though.
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Update about the "CG gate" thing : I received an Ebay 18€ sterile PAM case, with intent to use the polished CG.
Unfortunately it is not the proper shape, and I think most of these aftermarket cases are not. Some aftermarket CG can be found, but so far I found only brushed ones. Maybe asking TDs is the way.
In my case luckily I just found another proper CG on the side, waiting for it right now. I'll post pics when I'll put it on.
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Unfortunately it is not the proper shape, and I think most of these aftermarket cases are not. Some aftermarket CG can be found, but so far I found only brushed ones. Maybe asking TDs is the way.
In my case luckily I just found another proper CG on the side, waiting for it right now. I'll post pics when I'll put it on.
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KOT1917
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Yes, of course, the CG form is not correct either from the profile or from the front.
It's flat and as you can see, the edges on the sides of the lever are the same, as if it were a flat CG from the old panerai, the underside would be thinner. It is not symmetrical anyway.
Also, the pin is rounded and convex, and the lever does not have a roller. But in the any case, you will get the opportunity to try on and find out if it fits in principle. Or wear it while submitting a full-time mod if it fits.
It's flat and as you can see, the edges on the sides of the lever are the same, as if it were a flat CG from the old panerai, the underside would be thinner. It is not symmetrical anyway.
Also, the pin is rounded and convex, and the lever does not have a roller. But in the any case, you will get the opportunity to try on and find out if it fits in principle. Or wear it while submitting a full-time mod if it fits.