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PAM 683 reflection on the inside of the crystal.

DXK183

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Good morning all .
I noticed a reflection and distortion coming from the internal face of the crystal on pam 683, which is really annoying, you sometimes have the impression of having a bad magnifying glass in front of your eyes.
I think this is due to the large, poor quality glass.
the effect is felt when you tilt the watch, the text and indexes also change shape.
What do you think?
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here normal reflextion from the outer crystal surface
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here distortion and bad reflextion from inner chrystal surface
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Had the same thing on my 111. Annoying indeed. WSO might have a better one? Or Prof :).
 

DXK183

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for information, the diameter is 31.5mm, thickness in the center: 2.45mm and on the hedge 1.70mm
these are the dimensions from VSF, I just measured.
 

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The best way is : buying a new one but from who???
And i do not know the right dimension, maybe @rnrprof can solve this trouble?
Talk to etashazam , he will solve this problem for you.
There's a topic here in Pam session about it. He has the right crystal withiut lens effect, check this pic below



Cheers
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I swapped out the crystal on the 1616. I wanted to try it out first to see how it looks but I think it looks pretty great. Took a little getting used to because it's more reflective but it also gives the dial a sharper visual. It looks and reflects light more like sapphire crystal than plexi.

I think I'll do the 799 next.
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DXK183

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I just received the new crystal and for me it is not satisfactory, there is a lot of too much reflection because there is no AR :-( :-(.
The glass is also more curved than the original one.
I am disappointed with the result.


For now I think I'll keep the original crystal

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your pictures dont work for me :(
 

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I just received the new crystal and for me it is not satisfactory, there is a lot of too much reflection because there is no AR :-( :-(.
The glass is also more curved than the original one.
I am disappointed with the result.


For now I think I'll keep the original crystal

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I don't see your pics either but I'm using tapa so don't know if that's ityes, the crystal I have (not sure if it's the same) does have more reflection. That is what I meant when I said it's more like a sapphire crystal than plexi. But it just takes a little getting used to. Again, I don't think it's bad. Just different and many many many many many many many people don't like change.

When I swapped it out, I had the same result and reaction to it, thinking "I don't like this at all" but now 4 days later I like it a lot. The slight reflection is worth the absence of the fisheye and also, it gives a much clearer, sharper view of the dial. I feel like I was telling time with an old projection screen TV versus now looking in HD.

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