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    #91
    That smudge on the CG just looks like bronze “patina” to me. Can usually be cleaned. I doubt it’s a flaw but I’m just speculating based on my limited experience of 8 bronze watches


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      #92
      Regardless, what a stunning release. Been waiting a while for this one! The carbon PAMs with blue Lume were not to my taste at all.


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        #93
        Originally posted by Hazing View Post

        You say that like it's a scam. It's a flawed crown guard so it seems like a legitimate request/concern. I would think saying "you can send me that watch if you can get me an extra crown guard" would be more adventageous to the TD than rejecting over the cg. But now that it's rejected it doesn't matter.

        If it was gen, that would be an interesting flaw to find that was missed in the QC process. I still love it. Kinda like that double 9's Air-King.

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        Well now that you mention it, it is like a scam. Granted a flawed CG is a cause for concern, but that's why you are given QCs so that you can reject it before the watch is sent. Your initial statement was not to let the TD know about the flaw until he received the watch. In case memory needs refreshing.

        Originally posted by Hazing View Post
        If I were you, what I would do is wait until you get it. Once you get it, contact the TD and say "hey look" and tell him to send you a replacement crown guard from the factory. This way, just in case you need one down the road, it may come in handy. But I wouldn't mention it otherwise.
        Your revised statement is to tell the TD before the watch is sent. Two clearly different suggestions. The revised one is better because you told the TD you saw the flaw although proposing the possible solution doesn't exactly improve things, either from the TD's nor the member's point of view. People who have ordered parts from TDs any more significant than a screw know that it takes time to source that part. A TD would more likely replace the entire watch for a few days delay rather than go through the trouble of ordering a replacement part (at his expense) delaying the order at least another week or two, most likely even more for a new model (because the factory won't sell a part when they can sell a whole watch for more instant profit).

        The point is not moot even though the QCs were accepted (it is still wrong if you planned it but you didn't go through with it). This is to let everyone know that such behavior is ill-advised.

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          #94
          Originally posted by mysterio View Post

          Well now that you mention it, it is like a scam. Granted a flawed CG is a cause for concern, but that's why you are given QCs so that you can reject it before the watch is sent. Your initial statement was not to let the TD know about the flaw until he received the watch. In case memory needs refreshing.



          Your revised statement is to tell the TD before the watch is sent. Two clearly different suggestions. The revised one is better because you told the TD you saw the flaw although proposing the possible solution doesn't exactly improve things, either from the TD's nor the member's point of view. People who have ordered parts from TDs any more significant than a screw know that it takes time to source that part. A TD would more likely replace the entire watch for a few days delay rather than go through the trouble of ordering a replacement part (at his expense) delaying the order at least another week or two, most likely even more for a new model (because the factory won't sell a part when they can sell a whole watch for more instant profit).

          The point is not moot even though the QCs were accepted (it is still wrong if you planned it but you didn't go through with it). This is to let everyone know that such behavior is ill-advised.
          In the second post I had given some thought to it. Initially I just thought about situation and an ideal outcome which is having a cool piece with a cool flaw but still having the accurate non flawed piece as back up in case it’s sold down the road (or whatever).

          This just happened recently with a gen Rolex with a dial that is changing color. Again, flawed and looking cool and original/interesting but the question remains - do you want a flawed piece?

          But yes, communication with your dealer is always good. And in my experience with this dealer, when I’ve needed replacement parts off a new watch, the factory gave them to him to send to me at no cost. At least according to what he told me.

          anyway, I saw something I thought was cool and just quickly replied with An I’ll advised, off the cuff suggestion on how not to let it go. My apologies if it made someone think bad thoughts.

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            #95
            Originally posted by mysterio View Post

            Well now that you mention it, it is like a scam. Granted a flawed CG is a cause for concern, but that's why you are given QCs so that you can reject it before the watch is sent. Your initial statement was not to let the TD know about the flaw until he received the watch. In case memory needs refreshing.



            Your revised statement is to tell the TD before the watch is sent. Two clearly different suggestions. The revised one is better because you told the TD you saw the flaw although proposing the possible solution doesn't exactly improve things, either from the TD's nor the member's point of view. People who have ordered parts from TDs any more significant than a screw know that it takes time to source that part. A TD would more likely replace the entire watch for a few days delay rather than go through the trouble of ordering a replacement part (at his expense) delaying the order at least another week or two, most likely even more for a new model (because the factory won't sell a part when they can sell a whole watch for more instant profit).

            The point is not moot even though the QCs were accepted (it is still wrong if you planned it but you didn't go through with it). This is to let everyone know that such behavior is ill-advised.
            Couldn't have summed it better, treat the TD like you would like to be treated by him

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              #96
              Originally posted by C.gjinika View Post


              sorry for my ignorance guys, what does B.E. stand for? Is it normal to be 0,1ms ?
              found a picture, can help someone
              panerai: 243, 389

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                #97
                any idea why they cant fix the crown guard writing issue?

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by C.gjinika View Post


                  sorry for my ignorance guys, what does B.E. stand for? Is it normal to be 0,1ms ?
                  That are awesome values by the way

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Sox2010 View Post

                    That are awesome values by the way
                    Thanks buddy



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                    Last edited by C.gjinika; 21-07-20, 10:45.

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                      Did it prove the values in real wearing mode? how accurate is it?

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                        Originally posted by Sox2010 View Post
                        Did it prove the values in real wearing mode? how accurate is it?
                        are you serious ???? this question + an earlier borderline stupid one... you are making new friends here ...

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                          Yes seriously asked. As I wonder how the movement behavior is when it’s worn in. And I did not ask you do who are you to call my question stupid?

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                            Originally posted by Sox2010 View Post
                            Did it prove the values in real wearing mode? how accurate is it?

                            Haven’t got it yet, but the previous watches that I have required had almost same specifications with this one. And are holding up very good. I have bought a rolex126600 v3 from ARF about 1 year ago and that watch is the best till now. The movement si very silent ,the power reserve is amazing. The watch overall is a masterpiece from ARF


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                              Ok, got it. Very nice; surprisingly good enough strap. The sapphire “lenses” effect is much less visible than on other VSF Pams 47mm.






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