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No more due to raids?

Dc703

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Is it true there aren't Panerai being made anymore due to raids? Was looking for some PAM and haven't been able to find a single one from a TD :cry2:
 

pf78

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Keep an eye on the sales section! There are new factories i.e. HWF making pams, VSF is no more for now.
 
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shyreplover

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Are you asking a general panerai rep condition nowadays or are you looking for a specific model?
Some are still being produced, some are discontinued long time ago, some are discontinued due to raid.
Some TDs can still sourced discontinued models.
 
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Dc703

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Both really, looking for pam1661 but if that's not possible to source, I will settle for another pam. How do I see which are still being produced/available?
 

shyreplover

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You want to contact each TD as their website is often outdated.
Or post WTB.
I always believe that buying rep is a waiting game, like fishing really. Good luck!
 
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boostin20

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Both really, looking for pam1661 but if that's not possible to source, I will settle for another pam. How do I see which are still being produced/available?

I’m looking for the same thing, and it’s not going well. I’m not sure if I’ll be able to get one at all.
 

polarexpress

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Keep an eye on the sales section! There are new factories i.e. HWF making pams, VSF is no more for now.

I didn't know that VSF had closed, I just recently bought a VSF PAM382. Seller just sent me the QC pics today.

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ALE7575

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I didn't know that VSF had closed, I just recently bought a VSF PAM382. Seller just sent me the QC pics today.

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Who is the seller ?

Are you sure this is a VSF ?

I think the bezel dots, markers 15-30-45, the pearl , the black bars 0-15, the knurling... are not VSF
The CG have not chanfered edges and the lever tip is not correct.

mysterio , kilowattore, KOT1917, dadog13, superspark69 please, what is your opinion ?


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KOT1917

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ALE7575 is right. This is not VSF.
The problem is that this is not one of any others that come to my mind.
From what I've been seeing lately, there are bad reps of bronze models that I haven't seen before.
Perhaps this is a new move of low-quality factories, caused by the lack of VSF. Maybe there were such models before, but I have not seen.

I ask for a photo caseback, if not difficult.
 

polarexpress

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ALE7575 is right. This is not VSF.
The problem is that this is not one of any others that come to my mind.
From what I've been seeing lately, there are bad reps of bronze models that I haven't seen before.
Perhaps this is a new move of low-quality factories, caused by the lack of VSF. Maybe there were such models before, but I have not seen.

I ask for a photo caseback, if not difficult.

Thank your assessment. I was a bit suspicious that they were able to get a VSF if the factory had already closed down. Here is the caseback. Would you know factory made this?
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polarexpress

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Thanks for your help guys, I really appreciate it. I already sent a message to the seller to refund my payment. I guess my search continues...
 

superspark69

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I think we may see quite a few new versions of Pams come out of the woodwork now there is a void in the market from the demise of VSF Noob et al. Unfortunately I believe it will be quite some time till we get back to the quality that was offered previously. We were extremely lucky yesterday that is for sure!.
 

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Best to watch the sales section here. Maybe we hope new better versions will eventually come out again but it will take time. Every part of the world is needing employees. But if there is a VSF back stock is rare and most likely a Frankenstein Rep of a Rep lol. We have Reps of Reps, what a world we live in. Here is my 1661 its a great watch and im glad I ordered it when I did.


 
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Pene75

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Trusty time has just announced that he has many VSF models including pam