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  • {*PC TEAM*} Three kinds of lies - Panerai caught out once again

    There are three kinds of lies; Lies, Damn Lies and the ones PAM have been telling of late and it's getting worse, much worse. The company is going to the dogs and it's sad.


    https://perezcope.com/2021/08/08/pan...-pam-of-worms/


    And if that wasn't bad enough: https://perezcope.com/2021/08/22/rev...-pam-of-worms/



  • PAM_BOY
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    Originally posted by Hesekiel View Post
    For me, the perfect Panerai is a 47mm watch with hour and minute hands only. No second hand, no date, no moonphase and no perpetual calendar, no chronograph, no weather display.
    Make mine a closed back and install a fine Swiss ETA powering it, or, better yet, a Rolex 618 or an Angelus 240.

    In-house movements have their place in watchmaking. If I spent $75K on a Patek Phillipe, I wouldn't want an ETA under the hood, just to name one example. Panerai and Patek are different types of watches, and have a different buyer group.
    Exactly !

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  • Hesekiel
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    For me, the perfect Panerai is a 47mm watch with hour and minute hands only. No second hand, no date, no moonphase and no perpetual calendar, no chronograph, no weather display.
    Make mine a closed back and install a fine Swiss ETA powering it, or, better yet, a Rolex 618 or an Angelus 240.

    In-house movements have their place in watchmaking. If I spent $75K on a Patek Phillipe, I wouldn't want an ETA under the hood, just to name one example. Panerai and Patek are different types of watches, and have a different buyer group.

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  • PAM_BOY
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    Originally posted by Fergulator72 View Post
    I've been seeing lots of posts about how shite Panerai movements are in watch groups,lots of people having issues with them also, they are getting a bad reputation,rep Pam's and custom Pam builds are a better option in my opinion.

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  • Fergulator72
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    I've been seeing lots of posts about how shite Panerai movements are in watch groups,lots of people having issues with them also, they are getting a bad reputation,rep Pam's and custom Pam builds are a better option in my opinion.

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  • Natas78
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    For me, Panerai history is just the best story in watchmaking and they used to make really cool watches that I still absolutely love and am inspired by.
    Management has made a joke of Panerai, counterfeiting images, stories, asking exuberant prices for pretty bland looking watches.
    Remember when they photoshopped the old Firenze GPF boutique with an "OFFICINE PANERAI" display? Wow that was a real low...

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  • trailboss99
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    Originally posted by dadog13 View Post
    Since you are not ready to forgive them for those lies, I will be extremely glad if I can take that burden of lies on myself by buying some of those 20 or so Panerai replicas that you have

    UIm . . . . . . no. :P

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  • kilowattore
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    Originally posted by locvs View Post
    ... Panerai is degrading themselves to a mere luxury fashion brand, rather than a proper watchmaker...
    Panerai was never a proper watchmaker. The current shitstorm is the result of Richemont wanting OP to appear like one, probably in order to justify outrageous prices.
    I agree with you though, cost cutting might be a downward spiral, especially if combined with increasing prices and weak products.

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  • PAM_BOY
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    Originally posted by dadog13 View Post

    Since you are not ready to forgive them for those lies, I will be extremely glad if I can take that burden of lies on myself by buying some of those 20 or so Panerai replicas that you have
    (It seems to me that we will not I can take also some of that burden of lies on myself by buying some of your 20 Panerai replicasexperience this scenario but it was worth a try)

    I’m sure you don’t want anyone to see you wearing them or to know you have some PANERAI back at home
    Oh, I can also take on some of this burden of lies by buying some of his 20 Panerai replicas
    Last edited by PAM_BOY; 22-11-21, 10:32.

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  • dadog13
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    Originally posted by trailboss99 View Post
    I have a gen 112 and over 20 reps but I can not nor will I forgive outright lies
    Since you are not ready to forgive them for those lies, I will be extremely glad if I can take that burden of lies on myself by buying some of those 20 or so Panerai replicas that you have
    (It seems to me that we will not experience this scenario but it was worth a try)

    I’m sure you don’t want anyone to see you wearing them or to know you have some PANERAI back at home

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  • locvs
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    Richemont and especially Panerai have a history of this kind of truth-bendings.
    It is true, that VW Touareg, Audi Q7, Bentley Bentayga and Lammborhini Urus share a lot of parts, inluding engines. However the engines were developed "in house".
    Even if we extend the "in house" term to cover all of Richemont, an ETA movement is in no way developed by Richemont. Made "in house" sure. Bu this type of warering down the term "in house" is going into the same direct as some clothing brands went. Panerai is degrading themselves to a mere luxury fashion brand, rather than a proper watchmaker...

    As for the quality of the ETA: words fail me. Cost cutting is a downward spiral, that can ruin you.

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  • papabear244
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    Originally posted by kilowattore View Post
    As someone who was there when Josè was an active part of the homage community and followed his entire career I will just say I don't like him and his behaviour. I don't like the way his articles are unnecessarily biased and unfair, always looking for the next big fraud and trying to make as much noise as possible in order to attract views.

    I agree 200% on confronting Panerai Vendome about his marketing and false claims. Panerai doesn't need and doesn't deserve such poor behaviour, besides there is really nothing out of the ordinary in having ETA based movements inside expensive watches. Ultimately market will decide but it's sellers's duty to give customers the elements needed for an informed decision.

    I disagree 200% on his view of the Panerai history and hate when he states Panerai were Rolex watches. They weren't, they were Panerai watches made by Rolex just like my old Saab had a GM engine in it and a lot of parts made in the most disparate factories all around the world.
    G. Panerai e Figlio was born a small watch reseller who later developed some instruments for the Marina Militare. Due to this relationship the fascist regime placed an order with them for a number of watches and gave them a very short time frame to fulfill it. War was in the air and fascists were no people to joke with . Panerai did not have to needed machining tools at that time so they asked Rolex to help making their idea become reality.
    They had the idea of making a wristwatch out of a pocket watch. They had the idea of fitting a radium filled dial inside the watch so it would have been possible to read the time underwater and in the dark. A product bears the brand of whom had the idea to make it, who invented it, not who phisically made it. That is just my opinion of course, I don't want to pass it as the absolute truth like others do.
    I appreciate Jose’s job of putting up sort of a “Panerai Watch” (pun). Keeping an eye on their movements (another pun) for any malfeasance. Because it does seem like someone up there gets off at seeing their customers getting scammed. You would think that after Bonati, things would be different, sadly it looks like JMP is another psycho.
    I do agree he is too harsh regarding the history of Panerai and Rolex. If Rolex is not claiming those watches, what gives?


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  • Natas78
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    Panerai’s been doing these shenanigans ever since the company was sold to Richemont.
    Remember the PAM 318 “Brooklyn Bridge”
    Movement scandal?


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  • trailboss99
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    Originally posted by Hesekiel View Post
    Morgan buyers know that power comes from a Ford, Alfa Romeo, Triumph, or Rover engine
    That, sir, is the point, they are made aware of that fact, Morgan doesn't hide it nor do they use the cheapest version they can buy. The issue here is transparency and not just of the caseback.

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  • trailboss99
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    Originally posted by kilowattore View Post
    I agree 200% on confronting Panerai Vendome about his marketing and false claims.
    Which to me is the only real issue here, they lied and then tried to cover it up with an opaque (see-thru) caseback. I would also be a lot happier if they had used a higher grade of ETA as, when I buy a 10 to 27k watch although I have no problem with an ETA being in there (they are fine MVTs after all) I do expect a high grade, not a base model. After all, they are buying these internally so cost is not a huge issue and the top grade may be as little as $100 more to Panerai. But the heat of the matter is the lies and deception, in no way is that acceptable.





    History, yes he's pushing it pretty hard with his statements and he's wrong IMHO. If he's right then a Tudor is a Rolex as well and a Lexus is a Toyota, a Porsche or a Rolls Royce are simply a Volkswagon and a Winchester lever action and a Browning shotgun are a Miroku, all of which are patently untrue statements.

    I love Panerai, I have a gen 112 and over 20 reps but I can not nor will I forgive outright lies. If you don't respect your client base you are a poor excuse for a company and it's time for a change in corporate culture. They need to remember they are not haute horology, they are a design ethos and if it wasn't for a guy who happened n Italy for a movie taking a shine to one of their watches they may well still be a little-known niche maker instead of one of the collected brands on the planet.

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